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Are Microsoft Lumia phones any good?
The Lumia 950 has a fast processor, plenty of RAM, a generous battery with super-quick wireless charging, plus a sharp 5.2-inch display. Yet, the shortcomings of Windows 10 Mobile and the almost budget feel of the handset make it hard to recommend.
Time to upgrade to something else MS will not support after you buy it :rofl:
 

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An earlier comment was to fix bugs prior to moving on. I left vB about a year , maybe two, after IB bought them for that very reason.
 

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Doesn't look like much new in this new version.
I read "new apps in the app store" and my heart raced dreaming they would add new Windows Phone apps......
I just hate having the best phone in the world (Lumia 950) and not having updated apps for it - I also hate that MS ended support for the phone 1 month after I bought it. New version of windows (my phone runs WIN10) and they probably won't support the phone with the new version either. Bummer.
Lumia 950 and 950XL were such a shame. It was the best phone on the planet with an RGB LED flash that took perfect pictures in pitch black, just incredible lenses like having a dSLR in your pocket, and was the first quad core liquid cooled CPU, first phone that could EXTEND onto an external monitor WHILE using the internal screen for phone activities, they had Word, Excel, and Powerpoint working pretty well full fledged while you could still take phone calls on the phone screen. MS later licensed the tech to Samsung. Microsoft had also spent a ton of time writing Andromeda, which would have allowed the Google Play Store to run on Microsoft Phone 10. However something happened behind the scenes and they killed it. A phone with hardly any apps was doomed. It took years for other manufacturers to catch up on camera technology.

Fast forward and Microsoft made the Surface Duo phone which is great as far as form factor, screen size, and they worked with Google to make the dual screen support work well. Using both screens for a medium tablet sized web browser, or the two screens side-by-side for e-mails, browsing, and productivity works well. However the dual screen of the Surface Duo called for huge compromises on the camera. They made the two halves so thin that the combined thickness is only about 40% thicker than any other phone. As a result, the camera is really inadequate in my opinion. And because it's basically two hinged phones, it's the price of two phones -- $1200. Hopefully a new Surface phone happens that considers the camera and gives more of a "best of both worlds" balance.
 
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Time to upgrade to something else MS will not support after you buy it :rofl:
Microsoft's problem is they expected developers to start over with Windows Phone 7, start over with Windows Phone 8, and start over with Windows Phone 10. How many developers can afford to scrap their codebase and start over THREE TIMES in 5 years? All while any iOS or Android app those developers make will have 50 times the audience. It was a no brainer. Facebook was the one of the few that made a decent WP10 app.
 

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The announcement a month after I bought said "MS lays off 1800 software developers for windows mobile". Ouch.
The phone, as feldon30 said was far ahead of it's time, the best made - besides the Continuum app (extend to external monitor - which I still use when in my RV and it's like being on a pc) and a full load of MS Office, it also had a 20mp camera, superb microphone, 32GB internal memory, a SD slot (iPhone didn't have one yet) that could handle 32G external memory, facial recognition (which Apple stole the minute the announcement came out to pull the plug). I don't agree with "the almost budget feel of the handset" - feels like any other phone but maybe back then it didn't feel like an iPhone? It also had Corning Gorilla glass 3. A great phone.
I am trying to buy a different non-iPhone (I was forced to use iPhone when still in Corp America and hated it) and I tell you, I can't find a phone that has close to the same specs and doesn't cost $1700. Plus they all have poor reviews. We're stuck in the "tween" time between 4G LTE and 5G. 5G is not ready for prime time in most areas here in the US and won't be for a couple years, about the time the free firmware upgrades from android stop. So buy one today, it doesn't work real well and about the time it starts to work you have to buy a new one to get support. I think I'll keep my WinPhone even though support stopped for it 2 years ago.
 

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It's hard to market the same old, same old.
It is but now it's been confirmed as a free update there's really nothing much to market is there or am I missing something? From what's been shown officially this release feels for like a 10.1 than an 11.
 

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It is but now it's been confirmed as a free update there's really nothing much to market is there or am I missing something? From what's been shown officially this release feels for like a 10.1 than an 11.
How many computers sold because they were "built for Windows XP" or Vista, or 7, or 10?

I anticipate this is some PC builder backscratching.
 

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How many computers sold because they were "built for Windows XP" or Vista, or 7, or 10?

I anticipate this is some PC builder backscratching.

I would, it's about that time but then I saw the cost and availability of a top end graphics card :eek: I think I'll be waiting until Windows Ultra/12/2030 etc gets a release :)
 

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NewEgg Shuffle came through for me on a graphics card after 3 weeks of trying. It wasn't cheap though.
 

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Windows 11 requirement of TPM 2.0 already makes it incompatible with 90% of boards.

To check your compatibility, you can type in "tpm.msc" in run or open powershell and type in "tpm get" or "get-tpm"
 

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Windows 11 requirement of TPM 2.0 already makes it incompatible with 90% of boards.

To check your compatibility, you can type in "tpm.msc" in run or open powershell and type in "tpm get" or "get-tpm"

Thanks for the info. That's 5 devices that won't be getting an upgrade in this household.
 

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This update looks even more underwhelming than I first thought. Even the UI enhancements are meh. It seems MS is continuing its long running tradition of making only every second version worth having.

Thanks for the info. That's 5 devices that won't be getting an upgrade in this household.
Depending on your motherboard, you might have the option of purchasing a separate TPM module. Personally, though, I won't bother for older machines. They'll likely need replacing before Win10 goes to the knacker anyway.
 

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Depending on your motherboard, you might have the option of purchasing a separate TPM module.
I did take a cursory look to see if that was a possibility but I don't appear to have the necessary socket on either of my two PC motherboards and the other three devices are laptops which I'm not too sure about.

To be honest I'm not that bothered at the moment, I still see it looking more like Windows 10.1 rather than 11.
 

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It's all about security and biometrics really, Biometric password like eye scans, voice print, finger print etc. if they're stolen, you can't change them as they are one time password, TPM is required to protect their data for future iterations down the line, so expect them to be prevalent in 11. Windows 11 will all be about backend changes, not UI changes, bar the few small notable change like taskbar alignments.
 

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hmm, no TPM enabled on my self build.

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I think it's something I should be able to enable in the BIOS though. There's a very fleeting mention of TPM in the mobo specs.
 

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For those saying that their system doesn't have TPM support showing, if you have a motherboard that isn't more than probably 4-6 years old than your system probably actually has TPM 2.0 built in and needs to be turned on in your BIOS.
 

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For those saying that their system doesn't have TPM support showing, if you have a motherboard that isn't more than probably 4-6 years old than your system probably actually has TPM 2.0 built in and needs to be turned on in your BIOS.
More information in video below...

 

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My issue is the TPM hardware requirement for the OS, seems they want to cut off all old PCs from the world. A dick move for sure.
 

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I'd be worried if they decided to allow only pre-made machines (like Apple) to run the OS and lock out the custom build market.

My issue is the TPM hardware requirement for the OS, seems they want to cut off all old PCs from the world. A dick move for sure.
 
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