Which one is better ? Proboards or Zetaboards ?

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Well you give that impression, as you did talk about another company buying ProBoards out and your forum going with it. That was the general jest of what you was getting at, that you board is not safe because another company could buy that one changing things. Because you don't own the board renting a server it's on.

But OK, you didn't say it.
 

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Uninformed and assuming would be two words that come to mind.

ProBoards are over 13 years old, and i have been a member here since 2001, and in all that time, ProBoards have never claimed ownership of the content of the forum, and have never sold a forum under the nose of the owner.

Moreover, the terms don't allow for ProBoards to do this, and clearly states that the owner [the main admin] owns the content of their forum. May i direct you towards the Terms Of Service, and specifically section 15:

proboards.com/tos
Read this: http://support.proboards.com/post/5454260
 

The Sandman

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Did you read this bit:

(c) LIMITATION OF LIABILITY

THE LIABILITY OF PROBOARDS AND ITS LICENSORS AND SUPPLIERS IS LIMITED. TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, IN NO EVENT SHALL PROBOARDS OR ITS LICENSORS OR SUPPLIERS BE LIABLE FOR SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, LOST PROFITS, LOST DATA OR CONFIDENTIAL OR OTHER INFORMATION, LOSS OF PRIVACY, COSTS OF PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES, FAILURE TO MEET ANY DUTY INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION OF GOOD FAITH OR OF REASONABLE CARE, NEGLIGENCE, OR OTHERWISE, REGARDLESS OF THE FORESEEABILITY OF THOSE DAMAGES OR OF ANY ADVICE OR NOTICE GIVEN TO PROBOARDS OR ITS LICENSORS AND SUPPLIERS ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH YOUR USE OF THE WEBSITE OR SERVICES. [HIGHLIGHT]THIS LIMITATION SHALL APPLY REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE DAMAGES ARISE OUT OF BREACH OF CONTRACT, TORT, OR ANY OTHER LEGAL THEORY OR FORM OF ACTION. ADDITIONALLY, THE MAXIMUM LIABILITY OF PROBOARDS AND ITS LICENSORS AND SUPPLIERS TO YOU UNDER ALL CIRCUMSTANCES SHALL BE $50.00[/HIGHLIGHT]. YOU AGREE THAT THIS LIMITATION OF LIABILITY REPRESENTS A REASONABLE ALLOCATION OF RISK AND IS A FUNDAMENTAL ELEMENT OF THE BASIS OF THE BARGAIN BETWEEN PROBOARDS AND YOU. THE WEBSITE AND SERVICES WOULD NOT BE PROVIDED WITHOUT SUCH LIMITATIONS.
 

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Did you read this bit.

"User Content" is any content, materials or information, not including Personal Information (as defined in ProBoards' Privacy Policy), that You upload or post to, or transmit, display, perform or distribute by means of, the Website, whether in connection with Your use of Services or otherwise. To clarify, You maintain full ownership of all your User Content posted to ProBoards. Because You own Your User Content, under the law, ProBoards requires a license from You before it can allow the User Content to be posted on the Website. For these reasons, the following provision is a necessary part of this Agreement:
 

The Sandman

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Did you read this bit.
I did read it. But the part I quoted seems to say that if something happens to the forum "which you own" Proboard's liability is limited to at most $50 even if it's their fault (e.g. they breach the contract).
 

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I know exactly what you're getting at, what you are implying. But that is of course their because accidents can happen and data can be lost you own because of it. But what your doing instead, is reading something completely different into it of a malicious nature.

What you didn't highlight, was what was posted above it I've highlighted in red.

LOST DATA OR CONFIDENTIAL OR OTHER INFORMATION, LOSS OF PRIVACY, COSTS OF PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES, FAILURE TO MEET ANY DUTY INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION OF GOOD FAITH OR OF REASONABLE CARE, NEGLIGENCE, OR OTHERWISE, REGARDLESS OF THE FORESEEABILITY OF THOSE DAMAGES OR OF ANY ADVICE OR NOTICE GIVEN TO PROBOARDS OR ITS LICENSORS AND SUPPLIERS ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH YOUR USE OF THE WEBSITE OR SERVICES. THIS LIMITATION SHALL APPLY REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE DAMAGES ARISE OUT OF BREACH OF CONTRACT, TORT, OR ANY OTHER LEGAL THEORY OR FORM OF ACTION. ADDITIONALLY, THE MAXIMUM LIABILITY OF PROBOARDS AND ITS LICENSORS AND SUPPLIERS TO YOU UNDER ALL CIRCUMSTANCES SHALL BE $50.00
 
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BamaStangGuy

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Well you give that impression, as you did talk about another company buying ProBoards out and your forum going with it. That was the general jest of what you was getting at, that you board is not safe because another company could buy that one changing things. Because you don't own the board renting a server it's on.

But OK, you didn't say it.
My point was that if the users own their own content how can Proboards sell their company? They seemed to have locked themselves in.
 

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My point was that if the users own their own content how can Proboards sell their company? They seemed to have locked themselves in.
Not really - they can breach their contract and be out at most $50 per forum. There may be legal remedies to this but they are also limited by contact to arbitration in California (and inability to join claims), and of course would cost time and money.
 

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Since earlier this year I've been thinking of starting a forum on ProBoards, customizing the looks to a point where it doesn't even look like a ProBoards forum anymore and then getting it active.

The reason? I just to prove once and for all that ProBoards and other free forum hosts are a valid option for certain projects, and the decision to use one isn't necessarily a reflection of one's seriousness or dedication as a forum admin.
I did say its not recommended for aspiring forum owners to start with proboards, but I never said building an active proboards forum is completely impossible. If you are experienced enough and that you have strong network, its a good chance that your proboards forum will be way more active than a newbie admin with a vbulletin/IPB/Xenforo forum.

Apparently you've completely missed the point I am trying to make. An orphan kid can grow into a kind, intelligent and wealthy man, he can lead a life better than you and me, but you cannot deny that in most cases the orphans lives could've been way better if they had grown up with their parents. Similarly, you can lead a pretty good life earning $100,000/yr, but you'd be better off with a job that pays you $300,000/yr. Yes you can build an active proboards forum better than most amateur admins, thats no doubt about it. However, I am 99.9% confident that your forums can be even way more popular if you use a paid forumware.
 

meetdilip

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Free forums are good if

1. You lack budget.

2. You are not certain about it making the goal.

3. It is just a passion ridden non profit community.
 

snakeair

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Is this thread on topic still?

I caught a thread over on Proboards mentioning to look at this thread. I've been with Proboards since 2001 and a former Global moderator on there.

The forum company won't be selling out at all. The owner is not like other business owner's who will take a fat paycheck and hand over the company.

Thinking I need a beer before I post my real thoughts.
 

BamaStangGuy

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Not really - they can breach their contract and be out at most $50 per forum. There may be legal remedies to this but they are also limited by contact to arbitration in California (and inability to join claims), and of course would cost time and money.
So it makes my point that Proboards is trying to act like users own their own content and be a champion of the forum end user while at the same time leaving their options open to screw over not only the members of the forums but the admins.

Reminds me why I was so excited to go to ForumCon to hear this guy speak about managing forums.
 

Y2J

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ok. now its time to discuss about pros and cons of zetaboards.
 

meetdilip

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Pros - Free

Cons : Can't share on FB, no sub domain, Invision free is very old version
 

dscyrux

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Sorry to bump an old thread, but I don't feel the question was ever properly answered, as the thread went too off topic. A friend of mine is wanting to host a forum on one of these two sites that is purely for personal enjoyment; no gain will come from it. Which forum has the most customization? Which one has the simplest admin/moderator interface? I could use some in depth opinions on the two.
 

meetdilip

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After trying both, I think better ignore them and head for smfnew or Icyboards.
 
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