What do you think of the BigTech Crackdown

DigNap15

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What do you think of the BigTech Crackdown
(Don't get political)
But Amazon removing their web hosting from Parler is really bad (with 2 days notice)
And I have heard of a domain name company removing the domain name of a gun club
This is scary stuff that could affect any of us
 
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zappaDPJ

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(Don't get political)

And therein lies the problem because the majority of these decisions are often taken from a political standpoint but it's a good question.

My preference has always been to let things stand but not go unchallenged or unpunished if I consider something to be unreasonable. I think it better to know your enemy so to speak and attempt where possible to reeducate them rather than force them to use more clandestine means of communication.

Censorship of any kind usually has unforeseen outcomes that often serves to promote the very thing it's hoping to stifle so I'm generally against it. I would have thought the closure of Parler is more of a loss to law enforcement agencies than the users who will simply move to another platform.
 

Deathstarr

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Parler was removed from Amazon. Little warning
Ar15.com was removed from godaddy. -no warning.

I’m more of a show me the evidence first type of person. Normally there is a process to get content removed before you take then entire website down and no where did I find anything from Parler or Amazon saying they took down the site for hate speeches. The only “theory” I found was that when Twitter removed trump he went to Parler to then Parler was handed the Amazon ruling. But show me something and I can always look at it a different way or view. I am a conservative by nature and believe in my rights.
 

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Parler was removed from Amazon. Little warning
Ar15.com was removed from godaddy. -no warning.

I’m more of a show me the evidence first type of person. Normally there is a process to get content removed before you take then entire website down and no where did I find anything from Parler or Amazon saying they took down the site for hate speeches. The only “theory” I found was that when Twitter removed trump he went to Parler to then Parler was handed the Amazon ruling. But show me something and I can always look at it a different way or view. I am a conservative by nature and believe in my rights.
 

Shawn Gossman

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What about freedom of speech, pal?

There really isn't an obligation for a non-governmental company to respect free speech. It is an "as is" service that you choose to use at your own risk in agreement with their terms.

I made it a rule that you can't talk religion or politics on my forums. It is my "company" that I get to govern myself.

Facebook and Amazon are not members of the public sector.
 

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What about freedom of speech, pal?

Free speech isn’t a free for all. There are exceptions.

Freedom of speech and expression, therefore, may not be recognized as being absolute, and common limitations or boundaries to freedom of speech relate to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, food labeling, non-disclosure agreements, the right to privacy, dignity, the right to be forgotten, public security, and perjury. Justifications for such include the harm principle, proposed by John Stuart Mill in On Liberty, which suggests that "the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others."[4]

Plus as Shawn said, these are private companies and can set their own terms of service. They’re not obligated to let anyone spin up a server and fill it with calls to arms and terrorist rhetoric.

Thank you!
Is that the only one?

There were nearly 100 posts reported by AWS to Parler. They were given plenty of chances to moderate themselves better, but refused.

The full email is in this article

 
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Normally there is a process to get content removed before you take then entire website down and no where did I find anything from Parler or Amazon saying they took down the site for hate speeches.

This court document has a load of the post that were reported quoted.

This also wasn't a snap decision. AWS had been in discussion with Parler since November to resolve this. But they're CEO clearly stated publicly that he had no interest in moderating the platform.

Parler Repeatedly Violates the Agreement.

In mid-November 2020, AWS received reports that Parler was hosting content threatening violence, in breach of the agreement. Executive 2 Decl. ¶ 4.

On November 17, 2020, seeking to better understand Parler’s approach to content moderation, AWS provided Parler two representative examples, asked whether “this type of content … violate [Parler’s] policies,” and asked for “more detailed information on [Parler’s] policies and processes for handling and mitigating” such content. Id. & Ex. D. Two days later, Parler responded that it had referred one of the examples to its “regular contact for investigation.” Id. Ex. D. Over the next seven weeks, AWS reported more than 100 additional representative pieces of content advocating violence to Parler’s Chief Policy Officer, including: ...
 

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Good article here from a cloud migration expert about how difficult it will be for them to get back up an running again.

 

DigNap15

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I am dead against what Amazon has done
Its not as if people would say that Parler hosts bad contect so I'll look and see who is hosting Parler and stop using their services
Its like your telco, they cannot be blamed if you are a drug dealer and use their phone system to arrange drug deals!
I think that all of my members are law abiding citizens
 

R0binHood

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Its not as if people would say that Parler hosts bad contect so I'll look and see who is hosting Parler and stop using their services

That's exactly what many people would do. They'd consider taking their cloud business to another provider like Google or Microsoft.
 

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I am dead against what Amazon has done
Its not as if people would say that Parler hosts bad contect so I'll look and see who is hosting Parler and stop using their services
Its like your telco, they cannot be blamed if you are a drug dealer and use their phone system to arrange drug deals!
I think that all of my members are law abiding citizens
So, should Amazon be forced to host websites and content from companies which they do not wish to be involved? Should you be forced to accept members who post content you (or your other members) find objectionable at your forum?
 

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So, should Amazon be forced to host websites and content from companies which they do not wish to be involved? Should you be forced to accept members who post content you (or your other members) find objectionable at your forum?
So should all the big webhosts and cloud services collude and not host a company like Parler which was becoming a major opposition to Twitter and Youtube?
 

R0binHood

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They're not colluding and doing it to stop a competing platform from rising up. They're removing it because they refused to remove vile content that violates their terms of service and incites violence.

Such lovely posts such as these:

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Got to give them credit for the Mark Suckerturd line though, not bad.
 

Taylor J

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So should all the big webhosts and cloud services collude and not host a company like Parler which was becoming a major opposition to Twitter and Youtube?
Parler wasn't becoming a major opposition lmao and plus that's not why they were removed anyways.
 

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So should all the big webhosts and cloud services collude and not host a company like Parler which was becoming a major opposition to Twitter and Youtube?
Collusion might be illegal. However, what evidence do you have for your allegation? If someone farts in an elevator, and everyone else moves towards the edges, does this mean they had a pow-wow before distancing themselves? :unsure:
 

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Really interesting article here about Facebooks part in all this.

It covers 3 people who have managed to build massive followings through feedback loops from getting reaction and commenting engagement for topics such as election stealing and other conspiracies (anti vax, Qanon etc)

One managed to create a group of 60k members in just a couple of months before he showed up at the Capitol on the 6th when Facebook then deleted the group and he had to start again.

 
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