*Warning: NSFW - Dragonbyte Tech Convictions.

[doubt]

It doesn't matter how many trolls join TAZ with the sole purpose to regurgitate all the same baseless accusations

A boost to the number of posts on TAZ is a good thing.
Few more days and this thread could reach a thousand posts easily.

 

[Slavik]

Some of the posts by Chris and Slavik disgusted me.

Please point out exactly which posts "disgusted" you? The ones where I posted factual links and information regarding how sentencing is carried out in the UK?

How terrible of me.

Or is it the lack of jumping on the tar and feather bandwagon without having all the facts in my possession, just as NOBODY else in this thread other than Fillip has?

Please, be specific.

 

[zappaDPJ]

And good lawyers(think they are called barrister in the UK) don't come cheap.

They don't but our legal system allows for a court appointed legal representative so there's not as much incentive to plead guilty in exchange for a lesser sentence unless you are guilty in which case that plea might be taken into consideration.

I believe in the US at least 90% (rising to 98% in New York) of all incarcerations are the result of plea bargaining. In the UK 33% of people charged with a criminal offences elect for trial by jury: https://assets.publishing.service.g...ta/file/720026/ccsq-bulletin-jan-mar-2018.pdf

The bottom line is it's a different system and while you may not be able to afford the best defence lawyer here, the court will appoint you a legal representative. If someone pleads guilty in court then in all probability they are guilty or possibly insane.

 

[zappaDPJ]

Which all sounds good on the front end...but do you know the quality of the court appointed council is?

They can be better or worse than private representation. On the upside they come from private practice (which contrasts to the US public defender system) and are likely to be highly motivated and experienced.

The downside is that they will have multiple clients. If I was arrested I would be happy to use a police station duty solicitor or a court duty solicitor in a Magistrate's court should the need arise. I might however choose private representation if it then proceeded to trial.

 

[Anton Chigurh]

Please point out exactly which posts "disgusted" you?

He would then have to read the thread first. Something which is all too obvious did not happen.

 

[MMA-San]

Can we all stop talking about Filip, who may or may not be ONLY guilty of Hentai. Lets talk about Iain Kidd...the other founder of Dragonbyte that has not shown his face in this thread. He IS guilty. Whether or not Filip happen to be "guilty by association" I do not know...

But there is overwhelming evidence of Kidd's guilt:

1. The admittance of collecting, and saving, child pornography since 2005! (who the heck saves 13 year old hentai?)
2. Iain Kidd admitting in private to his Podcast host that he is guilty, but never once touched or filmed any underaged children.
3. Filip, in this very post, admitting that as soon as he made bail he moved as far away as he could from Iain Kidd.
4. Vox Media, a multi-million dollar company w/ million dollar lawyers took an weekend to research the situation on Kidd, including calling the local courts & media, before responding...with a very lengthy & public article that included a screen capture of bullet point #2

The real question is here is not whether or not Filip is guilty....its whether or not Iain Kidd is still involved in the company? How is this work structure? Are Iain & Fillip partners or Co-Owners? Is Filip trying to oust Iain from the business, or is he forced to continue working with him? These are questions that have NOT been asked yet. So, I am asking them now on all your behalf!

 

[maxdev]

Fillip is just saving face. It's not Hentai. The reporter is vastly refuting that. Fillip wouldn't be put in Sex Offenders' Register for 3 years if it's only Hentai!

 

[cornnfedd]

Ive read through it and it disgusts me to be honest. I don't pretend to understand the "hentai scene" or whatever you call it, but I agree with others I don't see a whole lot of difference from having drawings of little kids to having real pictures of little kids, in both instances its a pretty sick thing to have in any circumstance...

screw lose no matter how you put it.

(So because it was only hentai, and because he thought it wasn't breaking the law does that make it OK?) NO

+ we don't actually know what it was..

either way sickos.

 

[Jazzbo]

Late to the thread, but I have read it it. I don't get the "Hentai defence." OK we may not believe everything written in the press, but both articles linked in the OP mention all three men being guilty of either taking pictures, allowing pictures to be taken or "collecting and filming child pornography"

If that is incorrect then the three men should sue for libel. If it is correct, then "hentai" is obviously a huge smokescreen.

I'll remember the hentai defence if I am found guilty of anything "I wasn't really drunk when I ran over that pedestrian, honestly, I was just looking at hentai so it's OK"

 

[Lukas W.]

Please stop confusing hentai with drawn child porn. Hentai, by definition, is anime or manga pornography. Most anime characters are depicted with bodily characteristics around the golden age (20~25), no matter if they "are" 18 and under or 30 and older. You can argue now that the fictional "psyche" of such a character makes the difference in those first cases, in which I'd point you to the characters that are depicted as 15 and under while they mental age is way beyond the thousands. Naming it hentai is about as right as generalizing child pornography with normal pornography.

Either way, the term you are looking for is not hentai, but it's sub-genres Lolicon (girls) and Shotacon (boys), out of which the former can also be used as a generalization for the latter. The most extreme form is Toddlercon, I think the name speaks for itself. I'd appreciate if people made the actual distinction here, as I'd feel you'd make a clear distinction between a "normal" and a child molester too, not to speak of that it is Lolicon, not Hentai, that is illegal in the country of our subject.

 

[BirdOPrey5]

I believe in the US at least 90% (rising to 98% in New York) of all incarcerations are the result of plea bargaining. In the UK 33% of people charged with a criminal offences elect for trial by jury: https://assets.publishing.service.g...ta/file/720026/ccsq-bulletin-jan-mar-2018.pdf

That is so different than the USA. I had a close family member plead guilty to a felony of which they were not guilty simply because the plea bargain had no prison time and had he gone to trial he'd be looking at 10+ years. I was at the court when the prosecutor told the judge they reached an agreement and the recommended sentence didn't include any prison time. The judge got mad and questioned her? (Paraphrasing here) Judge was like "How do you stand here and tell me this man is guilty of X but deserves no jail time?" Her reply was something like "After investigating we believe his involvement was periphery..." Judge: PERIPHERY!? Are you saying he's not guilty as charged? Prosecutor- (dumb look) - Judge looks at defender's attorney (silence)... Throws up hands and accepts the plea.

He might have gone to trial but he wouldn't have had his own trial... he would have had to share the trial with the guy who was actually guilty so not only would you have to convince a jury you didn't do it, but have to distance yourself from someone you'll literally be sitting next to in court.

If you're actually caught in the system it is not as cut and dry as you want it to be if you never have to deal with these kinds of decisions.

As for the Hentai defense, I've never heard of "hentai" before, but all I know is if they were cartoon images, to me, that just makes the guy a weirdo. If they were real photos that is a lot worse IMO. That said I understand NONE of us will ever know the truth other than those intimately involved in all this. As forum members here we will only have the word of Fillip and the word of a reporter who never saw the images either and is making assumptions based on what was brought up in court- essentially a worthless opinion.

Would I remove Dragon Byte mods if I had any? No... what would be the point? Would I do any future business with them? That's up to the individual, I personally have never purchased one of their mods and have no reason to believe I ever will so it is a question I need not dwell on.

 

[Doug Heffernan]

I've seen several people that simply pled out because the cost of defending themselves would bankrupt them. It is easy sitting behind a keyboard and saying they should do something that could send them quickly into the poor house. And good lawyers(think they are called barrister in the UK) don't come cheap.

I can understand if one pleads guilty if one has been charged with some other offense, but this? If someone accused of being pedo is really innocent, then he should fight till the end to defend his good name and integrity, even if it means ending up in the poor house or on the streets homeless. That is way better than being lebeld a pedo, don''t you think?

Fillip is just saving face. It's not Hentai. The reporter is vastly refuting that. Fillip wouldn't be put in Sex Offenders' Register for 3 years if it's only Hentai!

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It is very clear to me that that is the case. It simply blows my mind how many people here are buying that fake hentai images excuse.

I haven’t communicated my personal feelings on the subject either way, thank you very much.

In a way you did. When you made fun of sbjsbj by calling him a detective being put on this case in one of your previous posts. I found that very disgusting.

And how come that you guys draw the line when some coder puts a callback in his code and ban him, but let a convicted pedo go about his business at xenforo? I thind this very strange and wierd.

 

[Doug Heffernan]

Please point out exactly which posts "disgusted" you? The ones where I posted factual links and information regarding how sentencing is carried out in the UK?

How terrible of me.

Or is it the lack of jumping on the tar and feather bandwagon without having all the facts in my possession, just as NOBODY else in this thread other than Fillip has?

Please, be specific.

Just out of curiosity, what more facts do you need? HE PLED GUILTY AND WAS CONVICTED.

He would not have done that if a) he was innconent and b) there was not any sold evidence against him. They had those pedos dead to rights and they both knew it.

This post below says it all

Fillip is just saving face. It's not Hentai. The reporter is vastly refuting that. Fillip wouldn't be put in Sex Offenders' Register for 3 years if it's only Hentai!

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[we_are_borg]

Fillip is just saving face. It's not Hentai. The reporter is vastly refuting that. Fillip wouldn't be put in Sex Offenders' Register for 3 years if it's only Hentai!

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Hentai or adult anime is all the same thing in court there is no distinction between what is drawn, computer animated, or any other way not taken by camera. Without the court papers what has been said we know nothing at all and why the sentencing did not contain any jail time, we have no clue what the judge thought. Second we can do a witch hunt but he was convicted by a court of law he got a sentence and needs to follow it after that he is free and after 3 years he is removed from the offenders list. If you want higher sentencing write your MP or in the states the equivalent of a MP.

 

[BirdOPrey5]

Just out of curiosity, what more facts do you need? HE PLED GUILTY AND WAS CONVICTED.

Very possibly guilty because a law that criminalizes cartoons. No matter how disgusting they may be they are still just drawings. If I can doodle it on the side of looseleaf paper it shouldn't be illegal. Kind of curious, how does one determine the age of a cartoon character? How old is Minnie Mouse? Daisy Duck? Smurfette?

Is it illegal to draw Smurfette in the act with Papa Smurf in the UK? Asking for a friend.

 

[Chris D]

In a way you did. When you made fun of sbjsbj by calling him a detective being put on this case in one of your previous posts. I found that very disgusting.

That has no bearing on my personal feelings on the subject so I'd like it if you refrained from putting words in my mouth. Thanks.

And how come that you guys draw the line when some coder puts a callback in his code and ban him, but let a convicted pedo go about his business at xenforo? I thind this very strange and wierd.

That developer was not only putting secret callbacks in his code that was being downloaded by our customers who we have a duty to protect, but he was also discovered to be one of the most prolific members of a forum which was actively pirating our software and resource manager resources.

The crimes that Fillip H. has been convicted of, no matter what the context, are nothing short of abhorrent, morally and in the eyes of the law. That doesn't change just because he is a well-known third party XF developer.

But, that conviction doesn't appear to have any direct, negative impact on any of our customers which is a contrast to the aforementioned developer who was not only hiding potentially malicious code, but was also ripping us and our community off. With that in mind, there was a clear and present risk to our customers with Brivium and that doesn't appear to be the case with DragonByte Tech.

Of course customers may choose not to do any business with them anymore, and that would be perfectly understandable. Fillip may decide himself it is more sensible to withdraw from the community either temporarily or permanently. And law enforcement could have forcibly withdrawn him from his normal life and activities, but they didn't.

We're not going to make up our customer's minds for them, we're not going to make up Fillip's mind for him and we're not going to be judge and jury - that bit has already happened.

 

[mysiteguy]

TheAdminZone, a place where admins can discuss this, and our decisions regarding it, how it might impact our sites, etc.

Its obvious to me those here from the MMA world (excepting the OP) came because someone they hated went down for a serious crime, and it is the ultimate weapon to settle some scores. The type of crime is disgusting enough as it is, but its use as fodder in personal vendettas doesn't make one righteous (quite the opposite).

They haven't brought any new info (repackaging it isn't new information), they aren't contributing to the discussion from admin perspectives, and they certainly aren't helping the atmosphere with the personal attacks they've made against some of the members here.

 

[Slavik]

Just out of curiosity, what more facts do you need? HE PLED GUILTY AND WAS CONVICTED.

He would not have done that if a) he was innconent and b) there was not any sold evidence against him. They had those pedos dead to rights and they both knew it.

This post below says it all

So, no, you didn't read any of my posts or links, other than in a blind rage foaming at the mouth because I looked at it objectively?

Gotcha.

Already explained, he pled guilty as he had no valid defense, UK courts arent like the TV soap opera US courts where you can paint a picture and sway a jury.

 

[southernlady]

I can understand if one pleads guilty if one has been charged with some other offense, but this? If someone accused of being pedo is really innocent, then he should fight till the end to defend his good name and integrity, even if it means ending up in the poor house or on the streets homeless. That is way better than being lebeld a pedo, don''t you think?

Had this happened prior to 2010, no he would not have been guilty of anything as cartoons were not considered porn before then. Maybe stupid and dangerous but not illegal.

But as he stated, being ignorant of the law is no excuse.

I don't know about other countries but the US (and the individual states) have outdated laws still on thee books which are broken quite often. or are so old, who would bother breaking them now? https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/top-craziest-laws-still-on-the-books

Other countries are not exempt. But a new law can easily be overlooked. Yet, not knowing it's a law doesn't make it any less a law.

But only Fillip is stating what happened to him here. Ian is MIA in all this. I do hope that not only did Fillip find new living quarters as he stated but will disassociate himself with Ian completely. Memories are long and it's gonna haunt him the rest of his life, affecting his ability to do business. Cause once he is taken off the register, he will still have the stigma attached to his life. Being convicted in the court of public opinion can actually be worse than in a legal court.

 

[MMA-San]

Fillip is just saving face. It's not Hentai. The reporter is vastly refuting that. Fillip wouldn't be put in Sex Offenders' Register for 3 years if it's only Hentai!

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To be fair, he's talking about Iain. Iain is guilty. That doesn't mention that it was Filip. But Iain is a POS.