*Warning: NSFW - Dragonbyte Tech Convictions.

[MMA-San]

I can understand if one pleads guilty if one has been charged with some other offense, but this? If someone accused of being pedo is really innocent, then he should fight till the end to defend his good name and integrity, even if it means ending up in the poor house or on the streets homeless. That is way better than being lebeld a pedo, don''t you think?



It is very clear to me that that is the case. It simply blows my mind how many people here are buying that fake hentai images excuse.



In a way you did. When you made fun of sbjsbj by calling him a detective being put on this case in one of your previous posts. I found that very disgusting.

And how come that you guys draw the line when some coder puts a callback in his code and ban him, but let a convicted pedo go about his business at xenforo? I thind this very strange and wierd.

People keep on forgetting that Iain Kidd is a sicko, who has admitted that he had saved thousands of actual, real, non-hentai child pornography since 2005. That is 13 years worth. Filip was his business partner, best friend, and roommate. Not only this, but the third guy they were on trial with was a 60 year old actual child molestor. The jury would have founded Filip guilty no matter what...just because the two guys with him were actual filthy scumbags. The jury would have been influenced. There is no way people should be grouped together for trials. A failure in the justice system.

 

[MMA-San]

That has no bearing on my personal feelings on the subject so I'd like it if you refrained from putting words in my mouth. Thanks.

That developer was not only putting secret callbacks in his code that was being downloaded by our customers who we have a duty to protect, but he was also discovered to be one of the most prolific members of a forum which was actively pirating our software and resource manager resources.

The crimes that Fillip H. has been convicted of, no matter what the context, are nothing short of abhorrent, morally and in the eyes of the law. That doesn't change just because he is a well-known third party XF developer.

But, that conviction doesn't appear to have any direct, negative impact on any of our customers which is a contrast to the aforementioned developer who was not only hiding potentially malicious code, but was also ripping us and our community off. With that in mind, there was a clear and present risk to our customers with Brivium and that doesn't appear to be the case with DragonByte Tech.

Of course customers may choose not to do any business with them anymore, and that would be perfectly understandable. Fillip may decide himself it is more sensible to withdraw from the community either temporarily or permanently. And law enforcement could have forcibly withdrawn him from his normal life and activities, but they didn't.

We're not going to make up our customer's minds for them, we're not going to make up Fillip's mind for him and we're not going to be judge and jury - that bit has already happened.

It is part of their plea bargain that they need to turn over their hard drives, and give access to the authorities to all their networks and information without prior warning.

That is a serious safety issue for your customers.

 

[MMA-San]

TheAdminZone, a place where admins can discuss this, and our decisions regarding it, how it might impact our sites, etc.

Its obvious to me those here from the MMA world (excepting the OP) came because someone they hated went down for a serious crime, and it is the ultimate weapon to settle some scores. The type of crime is disgusting enough as it is, but its use as fodder in personal vendettas doesn't make one righteous (quite the opposite).

They haven't brought any new info (repackaging it isn't new information), they aren't contributing to the discussion from admin perspectives, and they certainly aren't helping the atmosphere with the personal attacks they've made against some of the members here.

How is an actual screenshot of Iain Kidd admiting his crimes in private...or a screenshot of the reporter confirming her research...or the actual Vox Media post about their own research in which they poured thousands of dollars into confirming....NOT considered new information?

 

[MMA-San]

Had this happened prior to 2010, no he would not have been guilty of anything as cartoons were not considered porn before then. Maybe stupid and dangerous but not illegal.

But as he stated, being ignorant of the law is no excuse.

I don't know about other countries but the US (and the individual states) have outdated laws still on thee books which are broken quite often. or are so old, who would bother breaking them now? https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/top-craziest-laws-still-on-the-books

Other countries are not exempt. But a new law can easily be overlooked. Yet, not knowing it's a law doesn't make it any less a law.

But only Fillip is stating what happened to him here. Ian is MIA in all this. I do hope that not only did Fillip find new living quarters as he stated but will disassociate himself with Ian completely. Memories are long and it's gonna haunt him the rest of his life, affecting his ability to do business. Cause once he is taken off the register, he will still have the stigma attached to his life. Being convicted in the court of public opinion can actually be worse than in a legal court.

All of this. I do generally believe Filip was guilty by association. Why this forum is constantly trying to actively attack him rather than question where the hell is Iain Kidd is astonishing to me.

Is Iain Kidd still involved in Dragonbyte? Nobody else has asked this question. This is the only answer needed for current/future customers to make an informed decision on whether or not to continue business w/ them.

 

[mysiteguy]

People keep on forgetting that Iain Kidd is a sicko, who has admitted that he had saved thousands of actual, real, non-hentai child pornography since 2005. That is 13 years worth. Filip was his business partner, best friend, and roommate. Not only this, but the third guy they were on trial with was a 60 year old actual child molestor. The jury would have founded Filip guilty no matter what...just because the two guys with him were actual filthy scumbags. The jury would have been influenced. There is no way people should be grouped together for trials. A failure in the justice system.

No one has forgotten any of this, it has been beaten beyond a dead horse.

 

[mysiteguy]

It is part of their plea bargain that they need to turn over their hard drives, and give access to the authorities to all their networks and information without prior warning.

That is a serious safety issue for your customers.

Safety issue? It doesn't present any safety issues to me and I've been a customer in the past who has bought products. They have my user id, and my Paypal address, IP address, and purchase history showing legitimate purchases of products. There's no connection or even the remotest probable cause, reasonable suspicion or the like, that their customers are connected to the crimes they committed. I won't buy from Dragonbyte the future, but not because of safety (or privacy) concerns. The UK, or USA government for that matter, could serve a warrant to any of the companies I've done business with, without prior warning.

 

[Russ]

Is Iain Kidd still involved in Dragonbyte? Nobody else has asked this question. This is the only answer needed for current/future customers to make an informed decision on whether or not to continue business w/ them.

Huh? you even quoted his answer where I asked if Iain was still involved: https://theadminzone.com/threads/wa...t-i-dont-think-so.149284/page-11#post-1131826

 

[Anton Chigurh]

Huh? you even quoted his answer where I asked if Iain was still involved: https://theadminzone.com/threads/wa...t-i-dont-think-so.149284/page-11#post-1131826

See? They're not even reading.

 

[we_are_borg]

See? They're not even reading.

Nope they only want to be more righteous nothing more.

 

[Slavik]

That is a serious safety issue for your customers.

Why?

If you are handing out access data and not changing it once the work is done that is an issue for YOU to fix not the developer.

 

[Alpha1]

If you are handing out access data and not changing it once the work is done that is an issue for YOU to fix AND the developer.

Fixed!

 

[Jazzbo]

Very possibly guilty because a law that criminalizes cartoons.

Except that it was (according to the press reports) "taking" lewd images and filming. If those are not the charges then both press reports are highly defamatory and should be auctioned against. I'm still not getting all the talk of cartoons and hentai. Where is the evidence that a court found them guilty of just collecting and (presumably) looking at cartoons?

 

[BirdOPrey5]

Except that it was (according to the press reports) "taking" lewd images and filming. If those are not the charges then both press reports are highly defamatory and should be auctioned against. I'm still not getting all the talk of cartoons and hentai. Where is the evidence that a court found them guilty of just collecting and (presumably) looking at cartoons?

The press is right about as often as a broken clock. The law makes no distinction between lewd images and filming and cartoon images and animation. It's a messed up law. If cartoons weren't made illegal then we'd know who was actually looking at child porn and who wasn't... Or had they even made it a seperate (less serious) offense, we could make the distinction of who was who. But no- they worded it so there was no distinction between cartoon images and real photos/videos so the only people who will ever really know are those who saw the images- presumably the accused and the prosecutors, not even sure if the judge would see them.

 

[Jazzbo]

The press is right about as often as a broken clock.

Which is twice a day.

If they are wrong then they should be sued.

 

[we_are_borg]

Which is twice a day.

If they are wrong then they should be sued.

You think its easy to sue do you want to put attention on yourself becuase you are going against a newspaper.

 

[BirdOPrey5]

Which is twice a day.

If they are wrong then they should be sued.

The news would probably say they reported what the law forbids, and they did, because the law is so stupid. There is no open and shut case here, no one is going to sue- hell half the people here already think he's a child molestor, he wouldn't stand a chance in court. In the real world you can't sue everyone who wrongs you.

 

[doubt]

If they are wrong then they should be sued.

It's possible to do: Rebel Wilson awarded $4.5m in damages over defamatory magazine articles

But have to have deep pockets for it:
Hollywood celebrity Rebel Wilson has been ordered to repay her multimillion-dollar payout to the magazine publisher that defamed her.

Wilson’s barristers, Matthew Collins QC and Renee Enbom, appeared before the High Court in Canberra on Friday seeking special leave to appeal after she was forced to repay almost 90 per cent of her record $4.7 million payout to the Woman’s Day publisher that defamed her.

But the court refused the application, with costs. Wilson will retain $600,000 of the original payout after repaying about $4.1 million but is understood to be out of pocket at least $2 million in legal expenses on top of that.

 

[Jazzbo]

It's possible to do: Rebel Wilson awarded $4.5m in damages over defamatory magazine articles

But have to have deep pockets for it:
Hollywood celebrity Rebel Wilson has been ordered to repay her multimillion-dollar payout to the magazine publisher that defamed her.

If you have a good case, ie you were only guilty of cartoons but they reported that you took photos and videos of real children, and that was not true, then they would probably settle out of course and retract/aplogise. But only if you can prove your case.

 

[we_are_borg]

If you have a good case, ie you were only guilty of cartoons but they reported that you took photos and videos of real children, and that was not true, then they would probably settle out of course and retract/aplogise. But only if you can prove your case.

Again you are going against news media outlets so the story will break with more negative news against you as person. Cartoons or not in the UK there is no distinction between real images or cartoon or drawings, so the news can say child porn and you will lose because the law is clear between the two.

 

[Jazzbo]

so the news can say child porn and you will lose because the law is clear between the two.

I'm not disputing that at all, I'm just talking about this car where the news explicitly mentions creating or allowing the creation of images and video. It doesn't just say "child porn" which I agree would cover cartoons and so not be actionable if that is all it was.

All I'm saying is that if it was me and I was looking at what I considered art, that until last year was actually legal, and that is what I pleaded guilty to under a new law, then I would be outraged and go after anyone saying it was something that people in general would consider a lot more sinister and evil.

In that case I think it's reasonable to take action if what you are claiming is for a retraction, clarification and apology. I'm convinced they would settle, especially if you aren't going after financial compensation and just clearing your name - they have nothing to lose, they've already made their revenue from the article and I'm sure would prefer that kind go settlemeant than going to court.

But it is speculation, I may be wrong - it has been known.