*Warning: Disturbing/NSFW* Conflicted, upsetting. Maybe it's someone else, but I don't think so.

Xon

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t's embarrassing because you are regurgitating news articles that all stem form the same 1 or 2 sources, there is nothing new is anything you are posting except made up fantasy and conjecture.
UK tabloids aren't many steps above 'random post on 4chan' in trust worthiness too
 

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i'm off this site as i'm not into hanging out with paedos. there some on the staff seem very sympathietic
( I'm not a customer of Dragonbyte so it's not for me to cast blame or opine on this scenario. But i do want to comment on this scenario from a community management perspective).

I think this case really highlights the challenges of a free and open Internet. Last week, Tumblr announced they were banning all adult content because underage photos appeared in the Apple app store, and they were known as being one of the most open platforms for content creators. And yesterday, the community manager of one of the world's most respected brand communities FitBit posted a question about stopping the solicitation and sexual advances to minors in her community.

An open and free internet has allowed communities of passion and interests to connect users from all over the world. Most of us run these kinds of communities, where we can connect with our users over specific niches. Most of our communities cover harmless topics. Some cover communities of stigma, where users can't nornally connect with others but have found a safe space to do so. Some cover communities of micro-niches, where only a handful of users are interested yet theyve now found an amazing hub to find others. Unfortunately, an open and free internet has allowed the rise of all kinds of niches, including neo-nationalism, hate groups, and yes, hentai groups with subversive images. It's allowed users to explore a range of desires, from everyday topics to sexual proclivities.

The internet is growing up. And we, as forum admins, are guardians and gatekeepers to our platforms on behalf of our collective base of users. I think these scenarios should make us think deeply about our responsibility to our users about the kinda of topics and images we allow, the kinds of discussion and the limits of those discussion, and our broader social responsibility to a maturing Internet that is open as much for knowledge as it is for abuse. This is especially imporrant for fringe groups that operate in the gray.

This topic has devolved into a personal investigation on the morality and human limitations of one guy. Yes, he's a sicko perv. But that shouldn't be what we're discussing. This discussion should be used as a catalyst for having a deeper and more thoughtful discussion on our acceptable use policies, our moderation policies if someone were to share and / or solicit minors, and our platforms as expressive channels of creativity. It can also be used as a catalyst for understanding the patchwork of government regulation that attempts to rule an internet that's beyond any one government and how we can protect users from themselves.

On a last note, some of you have this intense fascination with this pedo case which is ... kind of weird on its own. Most normal polite folks are running the hell away from this topic but some of you are literally doing nothing since yesterday but digging up tweets and court cases and articles over Filip. Which goes to show that people are all sorts of sick and twisted. Some people are into tentacle porn. Some people are into furry porn. And I guess some people are into real life stalking over a pedo, which you gotta admit is a very creepy fetish on its own.
public service announcement: don't install software written by convicted child pornographers that can read/write on your server and communicates with a convicted child pornographer's server.
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So what you are saying is you looked at anime depicting people who are underage but aren't attracted to flesh and blood children?

Do you realise how that sounds?
Hentai is all over the place, and a lot of it features what looks like underage girls. When I say all over the place, I mean places where you'd find "normal" porn and other perfectly legal adult material, as well as, of course, Hentai and Japanese anime/comics sites that also feature non pornographic material. I still see it, mostly in the form of ads, on a pretty frequent basis, not even looking for it. Not being interested in it myself, I don't know off hand what the laws are regarding it from country to country, even in the US, but judging by its prevalence I'm guessing that it must still exist in a legal grey area in a lot of places. (Okay, a quick Wiki check just verified what I already suspected, that the laws on animated porn differ from state to state in the US - in some states animated minors might get you arrested, in others they don't seem to give a ****.) So... I'll just say that having known some people over the years who are into this kind of thing, and known many internet personalities who are, that's it's a hobby or whatever you want to call it that they usually pick up young and carry through into adulthood, and doesn't necessarily mean they're into real underage girls. I'm not gonna get into a debate on whether or not it can lead to such things - I'm sure it can - but it doesn't necessarily follow that every person who reads or watches the stuff will go there - or, again, has any interest at all in real underage girls. If that were a logical conclusion, then probably at least a third of the Japanese population, many of them women, would be pedo's. (And by the way, there are a lot of girls who are into this stuff too.)
 
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This is a YouTube video where the BloodyElbow staff talk about their investigation into Ian Kidd's crimes.

 

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This is a YouTube video where the BloodyElbow staff talk about their investigation into Ian Kidd's crimes.

Didn't learn anything new there. Sounds like basically they did what a lot of people here have done: read the charges and concluded they knew all they needed to know.
 

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i'm off this site as i'm not into hanging out with paedos. there some on the staff seem very sympathietic
I believe in reserving judgement until such time that I have sufficient evidence to make a truly informed decision. I don't trust the media not to sensationalize things, and there's still the matter of a prison sentence not being handed out. That to me is the most compelling evidence to back what Fillip says. I realize I could be wrong, but until then I don't think anyone has just cause to be labeling anyone. I don't like witch hunts or mob mentality.
 

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Didn't learn anything new there. Sounds like basically they did what a lot of people here have done: read the charges and concluded they knew all they needed to know.
They literally shared screenshots of private conversations w/ Iain where he admits to the child pornography charges. Claims he never touched or film them, and never brings up Hentai. You would think that it would be the first thing he'd bring up as a defense.
 

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They literally shared screenshots of private conversations w/ Iain where he admits to the child pornography charges. Claims he never touched or film them, and never brings up Hentai. You would think that it would be the first thing he'd bring up as a defense.
Well, maybe you need to give an approximate time for that, since no one is likely to watch the whole 40 minute video. I watched like the first 15 minutes of it, until they started going on about other stuff, so if they circled back around to it I missed it.
 

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i'm off this site as i'm not into hanging out with paedos. there some on the staff seem very sympathietic


public service announcement: don't install software written by convicted child pornographers that can read/write on your server and communicates with a convicted child pornographer's server.
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If its only Hentai then my standpoint is its a victimless crime yes it’s illegal and he got burned by it and he got a punishment for it. If i suspect other wise i will ask Howard (The Sandman) to remove his butt from this site.
 

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public service announcement: don't install software written by convicted child pornographers that can read/write on your server and communicates with a convicted child pornographer's server.
Frankly, criminal convictions for anything except crimes involving fraud or theft aren't really that relevant to software quality. And you'd honestly have to be a real dumbass to put anything into forum add-ons that's somehow supposed to extend the reach of your international child pornography cabal or whatnot - that would get you traced so fast that it would be like shooting your foot off.


So what you are saying is you looked at anime depicting people who are underage but aren't attracted to flesh and blood children?

Do you realise how that sounds?
You know those people who watch that weird Japanese tentacle rape porn? It's weird knowing that they all want to wake up to see an octopus in a ski mask on top of them.
 

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You know those people who watch that weird Japanese tentacle rape porn?
That is so year 2000 it was a thing back 20 years ago. Now it's ecchi エッチ that is in most manga or anime good ecchi reveals nothing but its all tight clothing or dresses that are just to short.
 

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If someone love playing horror or violence games he must have intention of being a killer, no?
 

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I don't like witch hunts or mob mentality.
The infamous Salem witch trials began during the spring of 1692, after a group of young girls in Salem Village, Massachusetts, claimed to be possessed by the devil and accused several local women of witchcraft. As a wave of hysteria spread throughout colonial Massachusetts, a special court convened in Salem to hear the cases; the first convicted witch, Bridget Bishop, was hanged that June. Eighteen others followed Bishop to Salem’s Gallows Hill, while some 150 more men, women and children were accused over the next several months. By September 1692, the hysteria had begun to abate and public opinion turned against the trials. Though the Massachusetts General Court later annulled guilty verdicts against accused witches and granted indemnities to their families, bitterness lingered in the community, and the painful legacy of the Salem witch trials would endure for centuries.
 

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If its only Hentai then my standpoint is its a victimless crime yes it’s illegal and he got burned by it and he got a punishment for it. If i suspect other wise i will ask Howard (The Sandman) to remove his butt from this site.
Let's reiterate for complete accuracy: it's illegal in Scotland and some other places. And it's not Hentail itself which is illegal in those places, it's the Hentail with underage girls and animals - which admittedly, seems to be an awful lot of it. And lol, I've no idea on the legality of all the "hybrid" animals and creatures that don't really exist.
 

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If someone love playing horror or violence games he must have intention of being a killer, no?
Well, of course that's exactly what some people will argue: not that they necessarily lead to violence, but that they can. Hopefully there won't come a time when a whole list of violent actions in games are made illegal because some study or another shows that exposure to violent games can push some already mentally unhinged individuals into violent acts in the real world.
 

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They literally shared screenshots of private conversations w/ Iain where he admits to the child pornography charges. Claims he never touched or film them, and never brings up Hentai. You would think that it would be the first thing he'd bring up as a defense.
Maybe you should re-read all this topic.

In the UK there is no difference between cartoon porn, and real people porn.
The charges are identical, and since he admits to the hentai, he admits to the charges. Simple.
He could not bring up Hentai as a defence, becuase its not a valid, legal, defence.
 

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Maybe you should re-read all this topic.

In the UK there is no difference between cartoon porn, and real people porn.
The charges are identical, and since he admits to the hentai, he admits to the charges. Simple.
He could not bring up Hentai as a defence, becuase its not a valid, legal, defence.
Everyone in this topic is literally ignoring the screenshots of Iain kid apologizing in private to his Bloody Elbow colleagues. He never mentions Hentai. he admits to having child porn but assures his coworkers that he never touched or filmed any kids.

Everyone just conveniently refused to acknowledge that. I literally direct linked the image in this topic.

When I said defense I didn't mean like in a court of law...I meant as reasoning to his coworkers. Just like his partner did here. But Iain never brought up the Hentai excuse to his friends, fans, and coworkers because it doesn't exists. As soon as I posted that screenshot his partner went dark and stopped replying to this topic. He did this because the conversation changed from himself (who has a Hentai defense) to Kidd who has none.

Where is Iain Kidd? Why is he not in this topic.

In all likelyhood they busted Kidd for his admittance of collecting child pornography since 2005, and his partner's computer got seized in the process. All he had was Hentai, something they probably wouldn't even have charged if not for Kidd.

If I'm wrong then he can come on here and say so.
 
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You link above doesnt seem to work.

Everyone in this topic is literally ignoring the screenshots of Iain kid apologizing in private to his Bloody Elbow colleagues. He never mentions Hentai. he admits to having child porn but assures his coworkers that he never touched or filmed any kids.
Thats not the case, at least not in the images I think you mean.
I see him stating what you said about never filming or touching anyone underage, I dont see any other admissions.

Where is Iain Kidd? Why is he not in this topic.
Perhaps he is not a member here.

In all likelyhood they busted Kidd for his admittance of collecting child pornography since 2005, and his partner's computer got seized in the process. All he had was Hentai, something they probably wouldn't even have charged if not for Kidd.

If I'm wrong then he can come on here and say so.
This is just pure speculation.
Hentai (involving underage individuals at least) is illegal in Scotland, so yes, they would have charged him.
 
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