*Warning: Disturbing/NSFW* Conflicted, upsetting. Maybe it's someone else, but I don't think so.

phatcows

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he admits to having child porn but assures his coworkers that he never touched or filmed any kids.
No he doesn't. You need to re-read the image you 'literally direct linked in this topic'.
In the screenshot you provided he actually doesn't admit to anything at all.

( I know Paul M has mentioned this already but I wanted to highlight it. )
 

jair101

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In the UK there is no difference between cartoon porn, and real people porn.
The charges are identical, and since he admits to the hentai, he admits to the charges. Simple.
He could not bring up Hentai as a defence, becuase its not a valid, legal, defence.
In this topic many people that believe the hentai theory are saying "if it was actual photographs, the sentencing would have been for an actual jail time as well". As I understand, there is no provision in the law for lighter sentence based on the type of images - they are either illegal or not, there is no middle ground. So the argument that the animated images lead to more lenient sentence doesn't really hold up, the judge cannot base his sentence on something that is not defined in the law.

I am not saying it was actual photographs, I am not saying it was animated cartoon either, just based on the information available neither can be concluded.
 

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The lighter sentence is from 2014 (if i am not mistaken) it was the first trail about hentai images 400 something like that. He did not pleaded guilty but said it was only drawings. The judge said with the sentence that he would go to jail for 9 months if it where real images of childeren it would have been a few years.

Translate this into this Fillip H. pleated guilty so the judge did go easy on them and thought they could be saved by following training and so on. Now the story broke and what do we see a witch-hunt because its internet. We do not have the transcript of the court so we do not have the real facts, so atm we need to trust his word. If Fillip did not tell the truth he would basically kill Dragonbyte Tech and his own trustworthiness and would be done in this world by making a earning.
 

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For me, I can't say I can trust Phillip's word - there is no basis to trust his word since I do not know him. Likewise, I have no basis to trust the word of those assuming the worst case scenario. I can't say one way or another if it was "only hentai" based on the lack of information/charge sheet from the court.

Until more information is available I take the prudent path and will not do further business with the company - unless there is verification it was "only hentai", and if so, the severity of what the hentai was. It's the best decision for my business to take (and it reflects my personal feelings concerning an extremely disturbing topic). At the same time, I will not engage in speculation, though I am very cautious.

To some commenting on the topic, please refrain from using the words "everyone" or labeling entire groups "supporters". Not only is it inaccurate, you can't assume everyone in this topic shares the same opinions, It also borders on defamation in some comments.
 

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I like how so many people here act like hentai and underage hentai are the same thing. They imply things like “see! Hentai is very popular in a lot of places, it’s a cultural thing!”. Implying general hentai is the same as underage child hentai is like saying “see lots of people watch porn and that’s fine!” when having a conversation about child porn.

Whether or not he had pictures of real children is unknown. Whether or not he had pictures of, or representing, children is A FACT. If he had hentai of adults only he would not have broken any law and we would not having this conversation.

STOP using the word hentai as a way to gloss over the FACT that he had penetration porn of minors in either a real form or a pseudo form. If you want to use the word hentai to describe what he had (according to him) then at least be accurate and say underage child hentai.

He absolutely 100% had graphic pentatrative child hentai (not just “hentai”) in the best case scenario and he had pictures of actual children in the worst case. Stop skirting that fact by saying he “just had hentai”. Whatever other facts are unknown, that fact is 100% undeniable or there would have been no crime committed.
 

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I've been reading all the posts here. I do understand different countries have different laws. I also understand that, for me, I can't knowingly do business with a developer who crosses the line into illegal activities, whether it's financial, moral, etc in his own country.

I'll let the rest of you do what you want, one way or another. I just think it's sad that such a talented developer is no longer on my radar due to his personal choices.
 

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I like how so many people here act like hentai and underage hentai are the same thing. They imply things like “see! Hentai is very popular in a lot of places, it’s a cultural thing!”. Implying general hentai is the same as underage child hentai is like saying “see lots of people watch porn and that’s fine!” when having a conversation about child porn.
What you forget is culture the west is different then Asia its really that simple only 12% in the world has said underaged in cartoon form is the same as real people underaged. If i go to Germany or Belgium i can legally own it but the Netherlands has said no its illegal, so i can buy it but not bring it home. Like i said at the moment i trust his word but if its real children you do not want to see me angry.
 

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I've been reading all the posts here. I do understand different countries have different laws. I also understand that, for me, I can't knowingly do business with a developer who crosses the line into illegal activities, whether it's financial, moral, etc in his own country.

I'll let the rest of you do what you want, one way or another. I just think it's sad that such a talented developer is no longer on my radar due to his personal choices.
You worded it great, i would not install anything from Dragonbyte Tech now that i know this. I would also rethink if i had something installed to either remove or with major update remove it. Its a shame that he got burned by this he should have known better both of them.
 

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Cooldown guys, the thread has been entertaining ;)

What in the holy hell...? Hentai is popular in RUSSIA in all places...? I thought they have another kind of fetish. This graph surprised me a bit. Hentai's not really my cup of tea, but it's also not that bad. The only issue is that most art is designed so that women in general look like each other. 90% of the time hentai has ridiculously crazy young-looking ladies with big boobs. However, you could say the same thing for anime, manga, and Final Fantasy 7.

Here's the wikipedia for the word "hentai."
Outside of Japan, hentai (変態 or へんたい) (listen (help·info) English: /ˈhɛntaɪ/; lit. "pervert") is anime and manga pornography. In the Japanese language, however, "hentai" is not a genre of media but any type of perverse or bizarre sexual desire or act. For example, outside of Japan a work depicting lesbian sex might be described as "yuri hentai", but in Japan it would just be described as "yuri".
It's pornography in art form. However, this term is thrown around loosely to associate with everything regarding art forms in Japan. You could even plaster hentai on ladies of DBZ, and everyone will be up in arms these days. I see it in some Twitter feeds, and I don't feel anything, but I also don't see the real issue, it's sometimes censored to bypass filters, and whatnot. The real hardcore hentai is the one that you should be weary of. That's what you should be up in arms over.

I mean, a picture depicting a 12 year old with her buttock against the screen is enough for people to bite your ear off. The problem is, Japan, China, Asians are notoriously young. Look at any of them, and you will realize why people on that side of the world don't have a problem with Hentai. Here? We condemn it because its a very taboo subject. Especially child pornography. I'm not endorsing child pornography, what I am saying is that the art form they have is very, very... very loose. Artists there assume that the typical chinese, japanese, or asian is very young-looknig. You can't assume that a 24 year old is a 12 year old, and vice versa.
 
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MMA-San

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How about the fact that Dragonbyte has to turn over their computers to the authorities anytime they ask. Whatever customer information they have is no longer private.
 

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How about the fact that Dragonbyte has to turn over their computers to the authorities anytime they ask. Whatever customer information they have is no longer private.
The government isn't that stupid. Whatever you're implying in there... that will just put the government into more scrutiny than solving the problems. That would result in bad PR. So, quit the witch hunt.

I think that everyone should calm down, and understand why this is a thing, and why it's controversial, which is why I posted with my 2 cents just now. I don't like Phillip, because of what he did on twitter (he knows what I'm talking about), but I also don't like how overblown the subject is getting. You guys are acting like a bunch of democrats and republicans fighting and ignoring what's really happening.

My opinion? Lock the thread. Let it die in obscurity.

It's a taboo subject until otherwise stated.
 

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I've been reading all the posts here. I do understand different countries have different laws. I also understand that, for me, I can't knowingly do business with a developer who crosses the line into illegal activities, whether it's financial, moral, etc in his own country.

I'll let the rest of you do what you want, one way or another. I just think it's sad that such a talented developer is no longer on my radar due to his personal choices.
Like I said earlier, nobody would have a quarrel with anyone who chooses not to do business with DBT after learning of this news. And no one should have.
 

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So first of all, thanks for the mods for keeping this open and people keeping this open.
Personally I have no dogs in this fight as I have no personal or business relationships with anyone involved, merely as a future prospective customer of forum software.

On the topic of porn... only Filip and the people involved know if there was more than hentai on his computer or not. In the case of his business partner, there is very little doubt about what it was what was found on his computer. He does not deny having child pornography, he denies filming or ever touching a child.

As for Filip... if they lived together... did he really not know his business partner was not into kiddie porn? And if it was for such a long time, why did he not do anything about it? Or is... "I did not know he was into that sort of thing" the excuse?

Here are the undeniable facts for their customers and FUTURE customers.... YOUR INFORMATION WILL BE SHARED WITH THE GOVERNMENT!
Your past information was shared with the government. It is not out of the question that someone may look into customers.

The one thing with pornography distribution, or so I'm told by my LEO sources is that one knows another... much like we communicate on message boards... even if they are 100% innocent... you are taking on unnecessary risk.

Furthermore, are you ready to defend your association with DB with your forum users? Are you ready to disclose that your forum information was on a seized computer and subject to future checks?

The other thing is... besides the customer information, IF there were FTP passwords, etc... were they encrypted?

We can also turn this over to TAZ.... did DB have access to TAZ data which potentially included our (user) information?
 

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Here are the undeniable facts for their customers and FUTURE customers.... YOUR INFORMATION WILL BE SHARED WITH THE GOVERNMENT!
Your past information was shared with the government. It is not out of the question that someone may look into customers.
My motto: If you got nothing to hide, then, there's nothing to worry about. If you've got something to hide, then you should be worried. :)
 

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We can also turn this over to TAZ.... did DB have access to TAZ data which potentially included our (user) information?
Back when TAZ was hacked, DB offered us their security add-on free of charge. No information at all was exchanged beyond the necessity for me to register an account on their website. They have never asked for or been given access to TAZ, either at the AdminCP level or server level.
 
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