*Warning: Disturbing/NSFW* Conflicted, upsetting. Maybe it's someone else, but I don't think so.

haqzore

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I unfortunately stumbled across something this morning while catching up on MMA news.

I don't want to cause extra harm to any of the parties. However, I firmly believe that people should be aware of those they support with their consumer dollars. This is the reason for this post.

I'm also a firm believer in rehabilitation and second chances. The ball is in the guilty party's court now.

https://deadspin.com/mma-writer-esposed-as-child-pornography-collector-1830989321

Here's the relevant snippet:

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More info: https://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/16858931.paedophiles-robert-mcdermitt-iain-kidd-and-fillip-hannisdal-caught-with-indecent-images-of-children/

This is honestly a nightmare, as Dragonbyte are some of the best coders we have. Hopefully this is a grave misunderstanding.
 
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we_are_borg

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Please note that haqzore made this topic i moved deleted post into this thread. punchbowl and sbjsbj talked about it in another thread, for now we allow this until The Sandman says other wise. Keep the tone civil even if you are pissed about it.
 

tomk

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If this is true, may they rot in hell early.

Disgusting.
 

maksim

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I hope this stays here.

This is very much relevant to the forum world as people should be aware of WHOM their money is supporting. While I do not actively use VB, no way in heck would I support their company in the future.
 

haqzore

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I hope this stays here.

This is very much relevant to the forum world as people should be aware of WHOM their money is supporting. While I do not actively use VB, no way in heck would I support their company in the future.
To be clear, this is about the owners of Dragonbye Technologies, not VB.
 

we_are_borg

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Well someone just said in the background that communication is monitored so sharing details is not private anymore. I cant imagine why you want to look at those pictures.
 

haqzore

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Is he a member on here? Has there been any public statement from him anywhere regarding the situation?
They are members here. I'll leave any tagging to others, my intent was for awareness.
 
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maksim

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I do also wonder... by kiddie porn are we talking under 12 or 17 year olds?
 

haqzore

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I do also wonder... by kiddie porn are we talking under 12 or 17 year olds?
Does it matter?

If you think it matters, do you think photo ID was included in each of the "984 still images, 496 moving, and 7689 pictures of extreme pornography"?
 

The Sandman

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This is certainly something that can be discussed on TAZ.

I'm not planning to remove their software from TAZ immediately, but will not reinstall it after we move to XF 2.1 once it goes gold..
 

maksim

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Does it matter?

If you think it matters, do you think photo ID was included in each of the "984 still images, 496 moving, and 7689 pictures of extreme pornography"?
Yes... it does.

The two guys are in their 30s, if this started in the 20's, completely fine if they are searching for say "Teen"...

Are we saying 17 years old and 364 days is not okay and 18 is fine?
 

Fillip H.

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I have no idea how I'm even going to start this post so I'm just going to go into it.

I am not now, nor have I ever been, sexually attracted to children. I have never touched a child, nor have I ever wanted to. I have never taken photographs of children, nor have I ever wanted to.

The material in question that was found on my computer was "hentai", Japanese cartoon drawings. I had no idea that these images and videos were illegal under UK / Scottish law. This law went into effect at some point in 2010: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/06/cartoon_law_live/

Ignorance of the law is not an excuse, and this is why I opted not to fight this in the courts.

I certainly understand why you would be disgusted by this news, and choose not to make use of any of our products.
 

haqzore

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Yes... it does.

The two guys are in their 30s, if this started in the 20's, completely fine if they are searching for say "Teen"...

Are we saying 17 years old and 364 days is not okay and 18 is fine?
Don't be silly.

They weren't arrested and convicted in a court of law for "searching Teen".
Lets also not act like its as easy a a search to stumble upon this content.

If you really think, again, "984 still images, 496 moving, and 7689 pictures of extreme pornography" were verifiable as 17yr +, you're crazy.
 

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Wow, that is disturbing news. I've used many of their products, and recommended them to many others. As I am just now finding out about this, it's going to take me some time to decide how I feel about continuing to use their products already in place.
 
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