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pierce

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The discussion in the PUSH feature request explain how the XF team is looking at implementing PUSH:
https://xenforo.com/community/threads/push-notifications-for-xenforo.60690/page-8#post-1174597

Its both bad. AFAIK AddThis has been removed from XF since XF2. Gravatar is still in XF2 though.
If they go the native push for everybody route.. then

Opera and google use GCM (or firebase) so the user will have to navigate through thousands of menus to create a project and support is a nightmare.

Firefox has its own push server system, which you'd need to configure.

Apple, well you'll probably need to pay them $100 a year, buy a mac or have somebody create the p12 certificate, submit it to their store somehow (you have to do this for safari)...

You -could- use amazon SMS, but again you have to setup each service and each of those services are not intuitive.

You -could- pay onesignal an annual subscription and negate the issue concerning privacy.. not that google analytics, advertising (adsense etc), embedded objects, external js, cdn's all suck user data and squirrel it away...
 

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even a poxy wix site that your wierd aunt setup could have push notifications, but our million post, million user site cant even deliver an activation email because 3 people marked them as spam on aol.
 

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If they go the native push for everybody route.. then

Opera and google use GCM (or firebase) so the user will have to navigate through thousands of menus to create a project and support is a nightmare.

Firefox has its own push server system, which you'd need to configure.

Apple, well you'll probably need to pay them $100 a year, buy a mac or have somebody create the p12 certificate, submit it to their store somehow (you have to do this for safari)...

You -could- use amazon SMS, but again you have to setup each service and each of those services are not intuitive.

You -could- pay onesignal an annual subscription and negate the issue concerning privacy.. not that google analytics, advertising (adsense etc), embedded objects, external js, cdn's all suck user data and squirrel it away...
A lot of valid points; it's a reason why Mobile/Web Push was a service (later merged into Mobile Suite), so people can generally just install the plugin, and they're done. Pay $XX for an add-on and then find out there's an additional $100/year, many (esp. the no-budget crowd) will not be happy about it.
 

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You have to be budget conscious. Not great for Devs who actually do this full time. Who bring users and value to a platform.

Some push services are very expensive/limited.

I'm so still very surprised ipb or other forums (except diquss or however you spell it) still have no native push. It's got to be a no brainer two years down the road for forum software.
 

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I'm so still very surprised ipb or other forums (except diquss or however you spell it) still have no native push. It's got to be a no brainer two years down the road for forum software.
Maybe it's not so simple to actually implement?
 

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Maybe it's not so simple to actually implement?
It's simple...

It's an API call to a push service with a couple of variables.

In its simplest form without dynamic data it's 5 or so lines of code.

It's not simple when you want to build a push service from the ground up. Or when politics get involved.

Perhaps it should be treated like email? It's your responsibility, you put the settings in, test it and for the most part forget about it.

Unfortunately push notifications are extremely lucrative for marketers with direct unrestricted access to your attention.

And every big player in the market wants to control the method of how push notifications are delivered to their technology.

Imagine having to jump through the same hoops to deliver email! Actually what makes email awful is also what makes it incredible. It's open platform for anybody to create and control an email service.

Either way, complex or simple. Forum owners need a way to get notifications to their users. Just as fb, snap, insta, WhatsApp, Viber, candy crush saga, flappy birds, anybody with a Wix site, media websites, blogs, YouTube etc

https://www.drupal.org/project/push_notifications

https://wordpress.org/plugins/push-notifications-for-wp/

https://extensions.joomla.org/extension/web-push-notification/

I just can't think of any other major distributions to Google if they have push.
 

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If only it actually were that simple.

There's an awful lot of iPhones out there. To push to Apple devices, one needs an app on the store that you have to get users to install, which means either a generic app per device, or piggybacking something else (e.g. like the way others piggyback off FB Messenger)

And you can't just wrap the forum into a mobile theme and shove that in what amounts to an iFrame on the device, because Apple restrict this and will boot the app off their store.

Sending to Google's messaging service is somewhat simpler, but still not as simple as you suggest; if it truly were as simple as you suggest, IPS would have it core by now if no-one else did.

As for email, getting email actually delivered is really hard. Even companies who literally do nothing but email struggle to get things delivered; Mailgun, Sendgrid et al find it surprisingly hard to get things delivered to every inbox precisely because the system is so patchwork and unregulated and methods like SPF and DKIM haven't managed to fix the reputation or spam problems nearly as much as anyone hoped.
 

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If only it actually were that simple.

There's an awful lot of iPhones out there. To push to Apple devices, one needs an app on the store that you have to get users to install, which means either a generic app per device, or piggybacking something else (e.g. like the way others piggyback off FB Messenger)

And you can't just wrap the forum into a mobile theme and shove that in what amounts to an iFrame on the device, because Apple restrict this and will boot the app off their store.

Sending to Google's messaging service is somewhat simpler, but still not as simple as you suggest; if it truly were as simple as you suggest, IPS would have it core by now if no-one else did.

As for email, getting email actually delivered is really hard. Even companies who literally do nothing but email struggle to get things delivered; Mailgun, Sendgrid et al find it surprisingly hard to get things delivered to every inbox precisely because the system is so patchwork and unregulated and methods like SPF and DKIM haven't managed to fix the reputation or spam problems nearly as much as anyone hoped.
Ironically you could say apple pioneered it by having it first on safari desktop, but they are flapping about not putting it on iOS. At least service workers is not under consideration but actively being worked on. Maybe see it in 2 years.

It really is simple. Not implementing push notifications ignores how many android users are out there.

What's going to happen is push notifications will become so saturated by the big players because they are already doing it. By the time forums implement it, it will be like trying to get out of the spam inbox of email.

I use postmarkapp they can get an email to anybody in seconds I've not seen it fail yet. I contacted sendgrid about a 10 hour delivery delay to outlook and they didn't want to know. My point about email is that anyone can setup a server. Successful delivery into an inbox is of course the hard part.
 

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And you can't just wrap the forum into a mobile theme and shove that in what amounts to an iFrame on the device, because Apple restrict this and will boot the app off their store.
Although it does seem you can create an app for the sole purpose of managing and receiving push notifications, as is the case with Pushover and Pushbullet.
 

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I've converted my 7 point something million post forum to xf2.

I don't have onesignal notifications at the moment.

So the answer is yes.

I have mixed feelings about Notifications because everyone and every site I visit im bugged over and over to receive notifications.

But they are still important.
Any progress on this mate? :)
 

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After update only shows OneSignal 1.1.11 not 1.1.11.2 in admincp.

This is normal?
 

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Look what you're doing to all these poor forum members around the world pierce,

They're all sad that these shiny new XF2 sites that are popping up all over the place don't haven't your beautiful mod skills contributing to them any longer

:(

/guilt trip

;)

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My current life is i get home, hold my 14 week old baby, until she sleeps and I go to bed at that point, wake up @ about 5 or 6 or 7 depending whenever she wakes up, hold her until i go to work, come home from work(at lunch and at dinner) and repeat. My hands are no longer idle... ever...

I wish I had time I honestly do.
 

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My current life is i get home, hold my 14 week old baby, until she sleeps and I go to bed at that point, wake up @ about 5 or 6 or 7 depending whenever she wakes up, hold her until i go to work, come home from work(at lunch and at dinner) and repeat. My hands are no longer idle... ever...

I wish I had time I honestly do.
You've got your priorities straight. Enjoy it.
 

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This is an excellent resource for everyone. Thank you and hope you're enjoying family time, although it's always very busy.

Anyone have an idea how to restore it if dismissed in FF? I have been doing some testing and making sure all is still sweet, but after dismissing it, I am unable to restore it oddly, even though I can do so on here. :confused:
 

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This is an excellent resource for everyone. Thank you and hope you're enjoying family time, although it's always very busy.

Anyone have an idea how to restore it if dismissed in FF? I have been doing some testing and making sure all is still sweet, but after dismissing it, I am unable to restore it oddly, even though I can do so on here. :confused:
Right. They've stopped completely for me. Does anyone still use this and have any suggestions? Pretty please :D
 
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