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Marshalrusty

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Because it has big name recognition and support from groups with lots of money? Not all projects are so lucky.
Wait, seriously? How do I get in on some of that?
I don't mean to pry, but would you mind elaborating on that, motokochan?

If people start trying to convert other forum plugins for MyBB that would be on the one side good and on the other side bad.(because of creativity, sure you can take one from phpbb and then recode it for mybb but where is the originality). As it's also immoral.
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There is nothing wrong with someone identifying an interesting feature and porting it to another product, assuming that the licenses agree. As far as the GNU GPL is concerned, it would actually be encouraged.
 
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So what you're saying i'm free to make (to do reverse engineering) of other bulletin board plugins but including giving credit to original author? (if that's so i would then i think i have nice idea). Now i just need a tutorial how to convert those and there we go we have many new free plugins.
 

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So what you're saying i'm free to make (to do reverse engineering) of other bulletin board plugins but including giving credit to original author? (if that's so i would then i think i have nice idea). Now i just need a tutorial how to convert those and there we go we have many new free plugins.
All the discussion board systems mentioned in this topic are opensource, and the MODs have clear instructions. [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering"]Reverse engineering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] plays no role whatsoever.

You can do whatever the terms of the package's license allow you to do. For GPLed packages, you can copy them line for line as long as proper credit is given. This, of course, does not apply for licenses which do not allow such things.
 

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phpBB is GNU/GPL, which disallows plugins/mods not being GNU/GPL compatible as well and SMF has their own proprietary license which prohibits selling modifications under a paid license. Learn your facts before your argue them. That's the reason MyBB is changing to another license if we have to.



Okay then. I will never get it. So can we stop arguing? The MyBB Group isn't going to change their views even if you harped on for the next 60 years. Your tactlessness has made your opinions moot to the MyBB Group.



Because I don't want to give MyBB skin cancer. :hopeless:



I'm not defending a particular subset of people, I'm defending the MyBB Group's ideals. Obviously we want to attract people to MyBB, but based on our ideals not otherwise.



It's more then many people will ever donate.



I'm not defending a particular subset of people, I'm defending the MyBB Group's ideals.



Public Relations doesn't always mean bending over backwards and kissing your toes. Sometimes PR is to correct misinformed views and make clarifications as I am doing right now.



You aren't understanding. There's no need to loose what donations we currently have, but increasing funding is NOT our first priority. If we just leave it be then as time goes on and MyBB as a product becomes better, then the user base will grow and statistically so will the donations. Whether or not there are paid plugins, I think is a minor factor to most people. Maybe not to you, but to most people.



I'm not defending a particular subset of people, I'm defending the MyBB Group's ideals.



I'm not defending a particular subset of people, I'm defending the MyBB Group's ideals. I'm very happy and very thankful for all the plugin/mod authors we have that contribute to MyBB, whether or not they create paid plugins.



This isn't a race Harry. It's not the end of the world if we don't pass out pamphlets at the steps of the supreme court or send out spam emails to everyone in the world advertising MyBB.

This is just a side project for all of us. It's not about being the "OMG WE'RE #1!" forum software. That is the least of our concerns.



I'm not defending a particular subset of people, I'm defending the MyBB Group's ideals.



We have a big backlog of things to get through before we can get to that. We want to get all of our ducks in order and there are many other things we want to fix and improve that we consider priority or are simply a prerequisite before we can begin to market both the free and the paid communities. In fact, I think the community should get involved more and be a closer part to MyBB by doing things such as spreading the word and marketing for both free and paid plugins either by word of mouth or by example. Everyone active on the team is already overwhelmed with work.



I work a 7 & 1/2hr day, and I have a robotics club, and I work on MyBB and other websites, and I have clients, and school and getting things done that need to be done for college such as SAT I's and SAT II's and visiting campus's and all sorts of other stuff so don't pretend to know my life and make it out to be as if I sit on my butt all day and program MyBB while I'm spoon fed by my parents. No, that's not how it goes.



You can afford a $149.99 IPB license with a 45$ yearly renewal fee but you can't afford a one time subscription of 5$? If your that overzealous about money then I think you have bigger problems then a 5$ one time subscription.

And so why are you here arguing? Seems to me like you need to get your priorities straight. Family over the internet, especially arguing over silly things. I put School, my actual job, friends and family ahead of MyBB which is part of the reason that 1.4 took so long. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you complain gratuitously about how long 1.4 was taking as well?



Thanks, anything else obvious you'd like to add?



No one is making a living solely doing that. All paid plugin authors have alternative sources of income or don't require one.



Perhaps we have an open mind to all types of commerce?



Well then, your like a person who doesn't know how to let go. You care so much you actually are making things worse. Your take up so much of the little time that the MyBB Staff has, arguing about minute issues, that you are slowing things down. We respond because we feel if we don't, you'll stir up trouble by spreading anecdotes about the MyBB Staff "not responding and therefore don't care."
Nice way of keeping tow with the paid plugin authors. The only one here making things worse is you by constantly side stepping the issue. I am sorry that you just dont get it.

What i really dont understand is why you all didnt just go commercial as was the original plan? That seems to be what you all wanna push. Every new Developer/support person has been hugely in favor of such.. Heck look at Tomm's mynetwork plugin. Or the support person who works on Labrocca's site. Sorry but i NEVER ever see this benifitting MYBB at all except for a very limited few especially as new people arrive or wanna convert to paid plugins and the costs go way up just to have a half decent featured forum.

Maybe it is time someone forks it? That way those who wanna pay can stay on one system and those who wanna keep it all free can do the same.

And yeah i am upset because all you all wanna do is destroy it by having these rotten comercial plugins. I guess there never will be a DECENT FREE alternative to the paid scripts. Thanks once again for proving those people right who have said that all along. And sorry but it needs to be stated somewhere now that MYBB is not entirely free and thus comes with costs if you wanna add on to it.


And lastly about my IPB.. I have had that for over 2 yrs now ( what part of that dont you get?? ) and so you can QUIT with what i have paid. I paid that 2 years ago and only pay 50 bucks a year to keep my license current. Why the heck should i go thru the hassle of converting and then having to keep track of several people who do paid plugins? And mind you there is ZERO stopping them from just up and vanishing. And who knows how many more will start doing the same and thus end up costing me more then what i pay now just to keep my IPB license up to date? There is others who got a lifetime license back when that gets ALL FREE updates and why should they convert and be faced with new charges for stuff they already have? Not to mention again the hassle of converting? AGAIN converters MEANS they ALREADY PAID. But you go on ignoring this or trying to spin it into something else. Try all you like but it wont change the FACTS.


And sorry but features has ALOT to do with how good a software is and thus why FREE stuff typically gets a bad rap. People want the features and thats it and sorry but to this day there is nothing free out there that can compete. MYBB had the chance with the plugin system but that cant be said anymore because there is a commercial element to it now and thus no longer totally free. PHPBB is a good script but again lacks alot as does SMF and not to mention with phpbb anyways you still have to manually install alot of the mod's. Granted i know Phpbb is making steps to change that.
 

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Maybe it is time someone forks it? That way those who wanna pay can stay on one system and those who wanna keep it all free can do the same.
Let me remind ALL of you again. The GNU/GPL ENCOURAGES making profit from the work you create. THAT is NOT the issue here.

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
You or anyone can fork it all you want, but you can't stop people from selling their free software for a fee. You legally have absolutely no rights to force people not to sell their free software for a fee.

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html said:
So if you are redistributing copies of free software, you might as well charge a substantial fee and make some money. Redistributing free software is a good and legitimate activity; if you do it, you might as well make a profit from it.
 

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Nice way of keeping tow with the paid plugin authors. The only one here making things worse is you by constantly side stepping the issue. I am sorry that you just dont get it.

What i really dont understand is why you all didnt just go commercial as was the original plan? That seems to be what you all wanna push. Every new Developer/support person has been hugely in favor of such.. Heck look at Tomm's mynetwork plugin. Or the support person who works on Labrocca's site. Sorry but i NEVER ever see this benifitting MYBB at all except for a very limited few especially as new people arrive or wanna convert to paid plugins and the costs go way up just to have a half decent featured forum.

Maybe it is time someone forks it? That way those who wanna pay can stay on one system and those who wanna keep it all free can do the same.

And yeah i am upset because all you all wanna do is destroy it by having these rotten comercial plugins. I guess there never will be a DECENT FREE alternative to the paid scripts. Thanks once again for proving those people right who have said that all along. And sorry but it needs to be stated somewhere now that MYBB is not entirely free and thus comes with costs if you wanna add on to it.


And lastly about my IPB.. I have had that for over 2 yrs now ( what part of that dont you get?? ) and so you can QUIT with what i have paid. I paid that 2 years ago and only pay 50 bucks a year to keep my license current. Why the heck should i go thru the hassle of converting and then having to keep track of several people who do paid plugins? And mind you there is ZERO stopping them from just up and vanishing. And who knows how many more will start doing the same and thus end up costing me more then what i pay now just to keep my IPB license up to date? There is others who got a lifetime license back when that gets ALL FREE updates and why should they convert and be faced with new charges for stuff they already have? Not to mention again the hassle of converting? AGAIN converters MEANS they ALREADY PAID. But you go on ignoring this or trying to spin it into something else. Try all you like but it wont change the FACTS.


And sorry but features has ALOT to do with how good a software is and thus why FREE stuff typically gets a bad rap. People want the features and thats it and sorry but to this day there is nothing free out there that can compete. MYBB had the chance with the plugin system but that cant be said anymore because there is a commercial element to it now and thus no longer totally free. PHPBB is a good script but again lacks alot as does SMF and not to mention with phpbb anyways you still have to manually install alot of the mod's. Granted i know Phpbb is making steps to change that.
Huh? If you're happy with your IPB license, then why would you convert your board to MyBB? People switch forum software because they feel that they can benefit from it. What do paid plugins have to do with converting? Besides, $50/year>$5/year; the money spent renewing your license is more than that spent on the plugin site.

You complain that with the paid plugins there that no one will make free ones. Maybe that's because no one has the time or ability to? Or the inclination. Regardless, you're acting like it's your RIGHT to have people make this software for you. But it isn't. What's there is there, that people have been nice enough to share with the world. MyBB could have been made and kept not only closed source, but unavailable, period... someone's private forum software. It's getting shared for free, yet you're demanding that they stop people from selling add-ons that benefit the MyBB community. First of all, I'm not even sure that it's possible to stop them, as they wrote the code. But who are you to make demands? Time and energy put into a free product, but it's not good enough. Ask for a refund.
 

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You or anyone can fork it all you want, but you can't stop people from selling their free software for a fee. You legally have absolutely no rights to force people not to sell their free software for a fee.
I stand corrected.
Well it wouldnt be encouraged and would follow the same theme as seen on PHPBB. Thus all would be kindly encouraged to stick with the free route and thus encouraged to share their works to better the project. Nor would discussions about free vs paid be forbidden either. And yeah if i could get the right team to do it you better believe i would. Sorry i am not trying to insult you guys who developed it and if anything wana see it go forward and see it's potential realized as it is a great piece of software which is a compliment to you guys. Just has the wrong element in the modding community. IMO

However they WOULD BE TOLD that the stuff they are selling would be allowed to be redistributed for FREE as stated in the terms of the GPL if i am not mistaken? ;) BTW.. How come i never see this mentioned anywhere on MYBB? Yet i see tons of people such as Labrocca saying how you cant re-distribute their plugins/mod's? Are they even aware of how the license works? YES you are allowed to sell it but as well the person buying it is free to re-distribute it if they like.
 

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I stand corrected.
Well it wouldnt be encouraged and would follow the same theme as seen on PHPBB. Thus all would be kindly encouraged to stick with the free route and thus encouraged to share their works to better the project. Nor would discussions about free vs paid be forbidden either. And yeah if i could get the right team to do it you better believe i would. Sorry i am not trying to insult you guys who developed it and if anything wana see it go forward and see it's potential realized as it is a great piece of software which is a compliment to you guys. Just has the wrong element in the modding community. IMO

However they WOULD BE TOLD that the stuff they are selling would be allowed to be redistributed for FREE as stated in the terms of the GPL if i am not mistaken? ;) BTW.. How come i never see this mentioned anywhere on MYBB? Yet i see tons of people such as Labrocca saying how you cant re-distribute their plugins/mod's? Are they even aware of how the license works? YES you are allowed to sell it but as well the person buying it is free to re-distribute it if they like.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License#Linking_and_derived_works

It's a contented point in the GPL. If MyBB would like to allow paid plugins, then the LGPL would be a better route as it's more explicit in this case.
 

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However they WOULD BE TOLD that the stuff they are selling would be allowed to be redistributed for FREE as stated in the terms of the GPL if i am not mistaken? ;)
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Yet i see tons of people such as Labrocca saying how you cant re-distribute their plugins/mod's? Are they even aware of how the license works? YES you are allowed to sell it but as well the person buying it is free to re-distribute it if they like.
How many times have I said this? That is why we're looking to change licenses if we have to.

BTW.. How come i never see this mentioned anywhere on MYBB?
Well for starters, if your talking about your threads or discussions on this matter in the MyBB community forums, it's because every time you bring it up it ends up having to be closed.

Other then that, we have no problem with people discussing what they want on the community forums. Yet, I have seen no one else bring it up or otherwise in such a fashion that it doesn't end up needing to be closed.
 

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Huh? If you're happy with your IPB license, then why would you convert your board to MyBB? People switch forum software because they feel that they can benefit from it. What do paid plugins have to do with converting? Besides, $50/year>$5/year; the money spent renewing your license is more than that spent on the plugin site.

You complain that with the paid plugins there that no one will make free ones. Maybe that's because no one has the time or ability to? Or the inclination. Regardless, you're acting like it's your RIGHT to have people make this software for you. But it isn't. What's there is there, that people have been nice enough to share with the world. MyBB could have been made and kept not only closed source, but unavailable, period... someone's private forum software. It's getting shared for free, yet you're demanding that they stop people from selling add-ons that benefit the MyBB community. First of all, I'm not even sure that it's possible to stop them, as they wrote the code. But who are you to make demands? Time and energy put into a free product, but it's not good enough. Ask for a refund.
I understand all of that. Believe me i DO appericate what those have done who developed MYBB. My beef is with the direction and these paid plugin developers and thus the modding community which i strongly feel is holding back MYBB's potential.

As for my IPB forum.. I have thought about converting and mainly because i wasnt too thrilled with 3.0. Had the option been there to do so i just may have converted that forum. They have done alot though to help make the transition from 2.3 to 3.0 better. Still lacking decent skins but they will come along. That was my biggest beef because i just put in a ton of time on that site with upgrades and adding new stuff and didnt feel like having to basically redo the forum just to get it to my ( and my users ) liking as it ( the design/layout) wasnt liked too much by me or my community. Thus if i could avoid as much hassle as possible i will as i am doing and you know as well as i do that converting can be a big hassle.

With my MYBB forum i dont need much. Users on that are pretty happy. How i wish ALL users were like that. I have no plans to change it either and thus it works. However this too just got a big overhaul during the spring and thus again didnt feel like having the added hassle of a conversion with the other forum. better believe though if the chance was given and i could have converted the other i would have but that forum has it's needs and well right now MYBB doesnt serve those needs for it which yeah you can partially thank to the commercial plugins. I have my own commerical stuff and thus people to keep track of and you think i wana keep track of more? I even considered contacting Labrocca to see and diScuss what it would take to move that site over to MYBB/including the re-design of it but that ended when he went into a tirade over this issue and baned me on his forums after stuff said on MYBB. Who knows depending on how everything goes between now and when 2.0 comes out maybe i will convert it.

All needs to keep in mind that i have no issue with MYBB/the script itself. I am very happy with that and the great work all the developers have put into it and i greatly appreciate it. Same cannot be said for the modding/plugin community. Can only hope that those with the know how can come over and start doing some nice free plugins/mod's for it so more people can see just how great it is and thus it's potential.
 

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How many times have I said this? That is why we're looking to change licenses if we have to.



Well for starters, if your talking about your threads or discussions on this matter in the MyBB community forums, it's because every time you bring it up it ends up having to be closed.

Other then that, we have no problem with people discussing what they want on the community forums. Yet, I have seen no one else bring it up or otherwise in such a fashion that it doesn't end up needing to be closed.
No not that.. Talking about how the plugins are licensed and or how the MYBB License works? Should be something posted letting all plugin/mod authors know that their work can freely be re-distributed under the current license. I *dont* think this applies to themes/skins? Someone can correct me on that if i am wrong. Unsure how it works with those.
 

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No not that.. Talking about how the plugins are licensed and or how the MYBB License works? Should be something posted letting all plugin/mod authors know that their work can freely be re-distributed under the current license. I *dont* think this applies to themes/skins? Someone can correct me on that if i am wrong. Unsure how it works with those.
And why should I make a preemptive clarification based on something that might change soon? Am I legally obligated to do that and if so, where?
 

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And why should I make a preemptive clarification based on something that might change soon? Am I legally obligated to do that and if so, where?

Did i say you were legally obligated? Stop being so defensive. Being 16 i doubt you have to worry about any of that anyways as i believe that fall's under your parents responsibility atleast in the USA i do believe and or fall's under Chris B/MGT responsibility. It would be however the politically correct/nice thing to do for those who are doing them. What do you think would happen if say someone took Labrocca's plugins and re-distributed them and he ends up finding out that there is ZERO he can do? Sure he can ban them from his site but the work will have already been released and not much else LEGALLY he can do. Same ofcourse applies to the rest. Who will end up hearing about it from those guys? Thus again it would be the nice thing to do.

So am i to assume as well that MYBB will no longer be opensource/GPL in the near future or what will it be? Again a announcement for all the users would be appreciated.
 
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Did i say you were legally obligated? Stop being so defensive. Being 16 i doubt you have to worry about any of that anyways as i believe that fall's under your parents responsibility atleast in the USA i do believe and or fall's under Chris B/MGT responsibility.
I'm only defensive because you've been so offensive on this issue. Why should you not expect any of us not to be defensive?

And I'm 17 sir. Someone should keep a counter about how many things you've gotten wrong here, including your whole argument about the GPL and selling for a fee.

It would be however the politically correct/nice thing to do for those who are doing them. What do you think would happen if say someone took Labrocca's plugins and re-distributed them and he ends up finding out that there is ZERO he can do?
As I said, I'm not going to make a preemptive clarification if things are going to change soon.

Sure he can ban them from his site but the work will have already been released and not much else LEGALLY he can do. Same ofcourse applies to the rest. Who will end up hearing about it from those guys? Thus again it would be the nice thing to do.
By the time it would get to court, if it ever would, the MyBB Group would have made any necessary license changes and the case wouldn't go any further.

So am i to assume as well that MYBB will no longer be opensource/GPL in the near future or what will it be?
Don't assume anything. We're only considering alternative open source licenses that work better, including the OSL and the LGPL currently. And as I said, we will only change if we have to.
 

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SMF has their own proprietary license which prohibits selling modifications under a paid license. Learn your facts before your argue them.
I could say the same for you. The license SMF is under prohibits redistribution of SMF itself. It says nothing on modification packages that you must pay for. There are no restrictions on selling your own work. In fact, we do allow paid services and modifications, and there are a few out there, actually.


And I'm 17 sir.
I hate to pull the age card, but I think I understand why I'm seeing so much immaturity in this topic from both sides.


Don't assume anything. We're only considering alternative open source licenses that work better, including the OSL and the LGPL currently. And as I said, we will only change if we have to.
Would you be interested in moving to a license closer to what SMF is licensed under? Say, redistribution is allowed, but not pre-modified? It would protect your interests and also allow both no-cost and for-profit services and modules. If you are, send me a PM.
 

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I'm only defensive because you've been so offensive on this issue. Why should you not expect any of us not to be defensive?

And I'm 17 sir. Someone should keep a counter about how many things you've gotten wrong here, including your whole argument about the GPL and selling for a fee.



As I said, I'm not going to make a preemptive clarification if things are going to change soon.



By the time it would get to court, if it ever would, the MyBB Group would have made any necessary license changes and the case wouldn't go any further.



Don't assume anything. We're only considering alternative open source licenses that work better, including the OSL and the LGPL currently. And as I said, we will only change if we have to.
17 or 16 it makes no difference as you are STILL considered a MINOR in this country and thus doesnt change anything.

And you need not talk about who has gotten more wrong here. Talk about immature. Sorry but unlike yourself i dont consider this some sort of contest. And it is YOU and a few others who have been defensive from the first time this subject was brought up. Look at your first reply to this thread. So please lets not even go there.
 

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I could say the same for you. The license SMF is under prohibits redistribution of SMF itself. It says nothing on modification packages that you must pay for. There are no restrictions on selling your own work. In fact, we do allow paid services and modifications, and there are a few out there, actually.
Are you sure? If so, then SMF's license is a bit confusing. It specifically states "This Package, Modified Packages, and derivative works may not be sold or released under any paid license."

The way the FSF defines derivative works would include modifications and plugins as far as I understand it.

17 or 16 it makes no difference as you are STILL considered a MINOR in this country and thus doesnt change anything.
'Twas just pointing out that you couldn't even get my age right let alone what you were arguing about. Since my youth status is such an important deal to you, do you want to put this argument on pause for 10 months and start it again when I'm 18? Do you think that anything will be different in 10 months?

And you need not talk about who has gotten more wrong here. Talk about immature.
Unlike you, I have not brought up this topic 7 or 8 times in a year, and derailed several threads which resulted in closures, not even by me.

Sorry but unlike yourself i dont consider this some sort of contest.
Please do show me where I said this was some sort of contest?

And it is YOU and a few others who have been defensive from the first time this subject was brought up. Look at your first reply to this thread. So please lets not even go there.
Maybe you didn't read my response right:

I'm only defensive because you've been so offensive on this issue. Why should you not expect any of us not to be defensive?
I never said I wasn't being defensive? There's nothing wrong with being defensive.
 
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In this case it seems that derivative works apply only to direct derivatives of the SMF codebase, and not plugins, "instructions for modifications", etc.

That being said, Ryan, there is no reason to be as hostile as you have been in this discussion. Clearly a decent number of users take issue with your allowing commercial plugins -- no amount of arguing (especially with your apparent lack of tact) is going to convince them otherwise. It is of course within the right of MyBB to alter their license and openly embrace commercial plugins. It is, however, not within your right (and frankly extremely bad from an image standpoint), for you to stand with so much hostility when individuals question your motives. Keep in mind that you were the one who chose to enter this discussion, and also remember that your behaviour directly represents your product. When your argument is reduced to the pedantics and hostility, there is no positive way out.
 

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Are you sure? If so, then SMF's license is a bit confusing. It specifically states "This Package, Modified Packages, and derivative works may not be sold or released under any paid license."

The way the FSF defines derivative works would include modifications and plugins as far as I understand it.



'Twas just pointing out that you couldn't even get my age right let alone what you were arguing about. Since my youth status is such an important deal to you, do you want to put this argument on pause for 10 months and start it again when I'm 18? Do you think that anything will be different in 10 months?



Unlike you, I have not brought up this topic 7 or 8 times in a year, and derailed several threads which resulted in closures, not even by me.



Please do show me where I said this was some sort of contest?



Maybe you didn't read my response right:



I never said I wasn't being defensive? There's nothing wrong with being defensive.
Would you please quit with the spinning. Grow up and accept some responsibility for a change. And you wonder why i bring up your age.
 
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