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Kellanved

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Frankly, I don't get it.

The GPL doesn't forbid charging money, it just grants redistribution rights (it's a lot less restrictive than the SMF license). There are many other good open source licenses that are not infectious; the initial post tries to attack open source for things it does not cause.

MyBB, as long as they have the copyright to all code used and do not include other GPL applications, could even provide the software under more than one license - see how mySQL does that.

I applaud myBB's step to go to the GPL - only a proper open source license, regardless whether it is GPL or BSD style, guarantees to all users that they can take development into their own hands , should the need arise.

The advantage of the pure GPL is co-collaboration of projects. There is huge amount of great GPL-licensed code and the GPL means that other projects can use it.

The initial post tries to paint a picture. A picture that has not much to do with the reality of open source.
 
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Lich_king2

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As i said in last post that guy is keeping info of every of his members, plus we don't know how that info could be misused or given to others on that hacking site. The best step for MyBB would be to get rid of them all no matter how good their plugins are. It's not hard to get new plugin developer especially for MyBB which is popular forum software.

In other way: License change and give that guys to run MyBB to their liking
Or: Get rid of them so community could greatly contribute to each other, so they could expand make more plugins as well some nice themes. If i were in the place of developers i would kick those guys out of the forum and support, not matter how good my friendship with them are. I would do it for the sake of project which i couldn't let to be slowed by them.
 

Greg

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The LGPL probably would be a better choice, considering that having plugins non-GPL'd means that it requires MyBB's authors to grant permission, due to the fact that the plugins link back to the GPL software. LGPL makes Crossover possible, as well as the use of libraries by non-GPL software.
 

motokochan

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I like how all the discussion just completely ignores the three questions I posed.

To answer the initial criticisms against me:

1. You say you want a friendly discussion but you start with the forum member(hijacking legitimate discussions) who most know who you are referring to? Thats not exactly the way to start a friendly discussion. :hopeless:

It's just a reference to the fact that at least one person has found the situation important enough to derail other topics that didn't concern the issue, so I decided that it was important enough to start an actually discussion where such posts might be on-topic. I didn't bother to look up your name, it was 2:00 in the morning and I was quite tired.

2. Your views on this matter are not suprising considering the type of license SMF has which you are a part of. In either case i dissagree about the GPL. See PHPBB for a good example as to why. Nice of you to call those who support the GPL " fascists ". You sure you want a friendly discussion? You dont sound friendly so far.

Sorry if it sounded that way. Not all supporters of the GPL are fascists, just most of the really vocal ones seem to be. I actually like the GPL, but I think it's a bad license for web applications where the source is interpreted.

phpBB seems to work well because everything distributed for it is in keeping with its license (although I haven't investigated all that deeply).

As for SMF's license, i do agree it's too restrictive. I'm actually working on that within the team. I can't really say more on that.


3. A question for you or anyonme else who takes issue with the GPL/Opensource? How come PHPBB is doing just fine with the GPL/Opensource?

Because it has big name recognition and support from groups with lots of money? Not all projects are so lucky. Also, how do we know it's doing so well? The security issues in their version 2 product seemed to be causing people to look elsewhere. Honestly, other than the huge audience that they built by being a popular product in the past (helped by their name association with the popular PHP language), we have no good metrics to measure their performance.

However, I'm sure they are doing well enough.


Outside of that you do bring up some good points which hopefully will be answered by the MYBB developers and others such as PHPBB who are using the same license. And yes it would be good if MYBB expand more on this and what they really want and where they wanna go. I am adding my thoughts below.

That's great, but you never actually gave your thoughts to the questions. Instead, you spouted the kind of stuff one would expect from one of those GPL fascists I mentioned earlier (GPL should be no cost! If you want to charge, GTFO!). Maybe if you actually took the time to think about the issues and answer intelligently, you might be taken more seriously. I know you and many others can do it, that's why I started this topic.



As for the whole GPL = no cost thing, that is incorrect. Even if something is licensed under the GPL, you can charge for it. You are certainly allowed to charge for distribution costs, and you can make other charges if you want. However, you are required to provide the source code and the recipients of that code can do as they wish - including giving the software away at no cost.
 

Marshalrusty

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Because it has big name recognition and support from groups with lots of money? Not all projects are so lucky.
Wait, seriously? How do I get in on some of that?

Also, how do we know it's doing so well? The security issues in their version 2 product seemed to be causing people to look elsewhere. Honestly, other than the huge audience that they built by being a popular product in the past (helped by their name association with the popular PHP language), we have no good metrics to measure their performance.

However, I'm sure they are doing well enough.
phpBB2 was developed in 2001 and has been dropped completely because of the code's age.

As phpBB3 is now two years old, and since most people converted to phpBB3 instead of another software (which is generally just as easy to do), I'd say you have plenty to look at.
 

Ryan Gordon

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Despite what i am sure will be dissagreement from MYBB developers i believe the development and addition of some features have been held back as well because of the plugin developers and their users who dont want them added and thats not good.

BS - You have no idea what your talking about. We absolutely do not do that.

How long now have many people been asking about the paid subscription system? Last i heard it might not get added now till 2.0 if that and who knows when that will be out as we have yet to see 1.6. This is just one example too.

Where they heck did you hear that? Seems like your getting your knowledge from your local mailman and the pizza delivery guy. And do you not have any patience? This is a free project run by volunteers - We don't exactly to go work on MyBB 5 times a week for 8 hours a day.

And if you want my client services then pay me. My rates start at 70$/hour.

If MYBB really wants more professional sites using it's software then well this is not the way to go about it. IMO Mind you that typically professional sites have a income source as well and thus most likely to donate back to MYBB.

We have no need to build our foundation on "professional" sites or sites that will donate to MyBB. We can self sustain ourselves no matter what.

I think this paid stuff and MYBB's reluctance to take a stand on the issue are the reasons why the software is not taking off as it should be and thus the small mod/theme community and lack of decent professional sites using the software still.

I don't see where you have qualifications to make a statement like that nor do I see how that statement has any substance what-so-ever.

Sorry but changing the license AGAIN just for a few Paid plugin authors and thus encouraging more paid plugins will not benifit MYBB and if anything will stunt it's growth with professional sites etc even more.

As I said I don't see where you have qualifications to make a statement like that nor do I see how that statement has any substance what-so-ever.

Just asking that the rude comments such as people are being cheap and thus why they dont want paid plugins be kept out of the discussion. Basically asking that they dissagree politely. Sorry but i feel that people getting called cheap or whatever is a personal attack. People pay for thier websites hosting, etc and dont deserve such comments. I explained my reason for not wanting too and as well explained that if i want paid i will use IPB which i do. Thus it has nothing to do with being cheap. Has to do with the principle of the matter.

Why should they appease your request when all you do is go off and bring up issues repetitively by constantly derailing topics and causing angst among the TAZ staff by having to deal with your hypocritical behavior? I hate to play semantics, but if you can't follow the rules yourself, then why should a moderator appease your request for enforcing the rules on other people?

Is this directed at me? If so i think i stated my postion on that. It is a commercial product and thus commercial stuff is expected there. However I dont use any 3rd party paid stuff on my IPB forum either. I have the IPB blogs i paid for and thats it and that is a IPB product. Outside of that all i have is a couple of free mods/plugins ( Arcade and such ) and thus have no use for anything else. Again i do have concerns even here about people pulling the dissapearing act.

Then that is your opinion and your choice. Not something you need to rub in people's faces non stop until you beat the horse dead. I've lost count on the number of times I've had to intervene on the MyBB Group's behalf because of your non stop quarreling on this issue.

You've had more then enough time and opportunities to express your opinion on this issue.

As i also mentioned what is wrong with asking for donations as all do on PHPBB to cover those costs? Need i list the mega sites who do mods/plugins for PHPBB that are supported via donations? Why does it work for them and why cant it for these guys on MYBB??

phpBB was one of the first in the market - I think it's clear that this has been the reason from the start. MyBB has only gained ground really recently. We have had over 200,000 downloads of the MyBB 1.4 series. MyBB 1.2 had much less then that.

This believe it or not is a minor issue for me and thus not worth me switching to something else.

If this is a minor issue for you, then what would you do for a major issue?

And how would it hurt the mod community that is basically almost non existent anyways?

As I said I don't see where you have qualifications to make a statement like that nor do I see how that statement has any substance what-so-ever. MyBB's mod community is certainly not non-existent.

How has the current form with having these paid plugins helped them? Sorry but even you know it hasnt as seen by the lack of plugin developers there and lack of professional sites using MYBB.

Lets see, we've received more donations then before, MyBB has grown more then before, MyBB's theme and mods community are growing more then before.

Only ones benifitting are a small group of people willing to pay for those plugins and the paid plugin authors themselves.

And only a small portion of people benefit from heart transplants.

The point I'm trying to make is that your statement is a moot point - It means nothing. Just because some statistic is small or large doesn't make it right or wrong.

Again see PHPBB and thier modding community. Why does it work there without having paid mods/plugins?

Who's to say that one works over the other? Who's to say that MyBB's current system doesn't work? As I've pointed out above, we've grown more then ever.

People expect to pay on a commercial system. On a FREE system people use and expect FREE.

Maybe that is what you think, but there are certainly many more people that don't think that. Most people expect that some things will be free, and others won't and they simply deal with it.

Take a look around you over at PHPBB and even SMF for that matter which IS where alot of the MYBB users have come from.

Perhaps they came because they like the diversity and options provided to them? You can't just make assumptions like that without substance.

And nowhere did i say that it was or wasnt up to the developer to do as they wish.

Then we wish you would let us do that without rubbing it in everyone's faces every time it doesn't go your way.

Again i dont see why the plugin/mod authors at MYBB expect more then those over at PHPBB/SMF

Your still pulling information from places that don't exist. Who's qualified to say they do or don't expect more then others, unless you do a complete and accurate statistical study. In fact, perhaps they come to MyBB because they like what we offer as opposed to others. People are naturally attracted to places that fit them - Perhaps that is what you are seeing and all you are trying to do is force them to compose to some sort of adherence that doesn't fit them and in the end drives them away?

and thus i think they would be better served asking for donations like all the rest do. What makes them above all the rest?

Perhaps, like the billions of people in the world, they would like to be assured of an income for their work? That doesn't make them "above" other people. And even if it does, why do you have a problem with it? You live a capitalist society and that is how capitalist societies work. If that is your issue, then you have bigger problems then what license MyBB picks. Given what you say about all plugins being free, then I'm sure you work for free and you make a living off of donations? It would be unfair to do otherwise given your stance on this matter.

Again they are not helping MYBB ( The project grow itself ) by keeping those plugins to a limited few willing to pay.

Again I don't see where you have qualifications to make a statement like that nor do I see how that statement has any substance what-so-ever.

This is real nice coming from the lead developer after all the well thought out responses here in this thread. :hopeless:

You mean the same ones I've read from you dozens of times before? Sure, go ahead, just take up my vacation time. Not like you really actually truly care about the time I spend dealing with responses to the same repetitive issue you've brought up several times. By the time I get back, I'll remember what you have said more then I'll remember any of my vacation. Thanks a lot :tup:

And let me guess.. This is also partly because KDE dropped MYBB and switched to PHPBB? Has anyone bothered to ask why they dropped MYBB?

Your wrong - Regardless of KDE, we were going to look into what we could do to fix the issues that were brought up by the community.

I am not saying that to be rude either but i am well aware of what has happend to that and can understand that it may have bothered you guys.

Your well aware of what? That they were moving to phpBB? How can you be "well aware" of that whole situation? The whole event has been private to us for months until recently, and private for everyone else up until just a couple hours ago.

Edit: One of the KDE management made an official response on the MyBB Community forums: http://community.mybboard.net/thread-52101-post-367695.html#pid367695


I think alot of decisions about THIS stuff are being based on emotions and friendships and not what is really best for MYBB.

Well, here you are, wrong again. Seems to be your wrong about a lot of things that you've said in this thread.

Sorry but thats the impression you all are given.

I don't see where your substance for this statement is? No one on the MyBB Group gives personal favors or makes that impression. Everything we do is, to the best of our ability, pure and for the greater good of MyBB.

Again not saying that to be rude. I am sorry Ryan but i think this is a huge mistake for you guys. This is gonna end up hurting MYBB in the long run. I guess we will see how things go.

Well, that's your opinion to make and not something that you should take and rub in people's faces every time you think that something isn't going the way you want it.

If i am wrong in a year or so i will pull this thread back up and admit i was wrong.

And how many times are you going to bring this issue back up before then? 5 times? 10 times? 20 times?

We will just have to agree to dissagree and unfortunatly for me that means i am at the whims of whatever you guys decide. Dont agree with it but i'll have to live with it.

As long as you are rational, peaceful, honest, not rude, or antagonistic or pessimistic, and follow the rules, then we have no problems taking your opinions into account. Just as we try to do with everyone.

Thing is MYBB is changing it AGAIN. Remember the license was just changed back in Nov/Dec. And now it is being changed again ( can say that now that ryan has confirmed it ) just to suit a few plugin authors that charge for thier work.

Let me take this moment to remind everyone that as MyBB is a free project, in the end it is really our ideals that matter, not the legally-crossworded-puzzle-binding-document that goes along with it. We try and choose a good and tested legally binding document that matches our ideals as closely as possible. We thought we had hit gold with the GNU/GPL, but as it turns out there are still some issues with the license that don't perfectly represent our ideals. We don't expect to have a license that will do that, but we do want to find something that resolves the current issues with non-GPL plugins and the MyBB GNU/GPL license. Until then, we can't simply throw all those plugin creators in jail, so-to-speak, because of our mistakes. We're simply not going to do that to them.

That's still not a confirmation it is changing. All that Ryan has confirmed is that MyBB are looking at other licenses.

My point still stands that they could choose to stick with their current license.

If we could get the issues resolved, while still representing our ideals, then I would be happy to stick with the current GNU/GPL. Problem is, we've talked to two lawyers both of whom are partially contradicting each other and if we could get more substansial legal advice on if we're in the clear, then we would be happy to stick with the GNU/GPL. Otherwise, we're simply forced to look at alternatives that more closely match our ideals.

We'll see but if they do then we still have the problem that has been mentioned in this thread by motokochan unless they tell them that the license doesnt cover their work and thus discourages them from doing paid. This is why i am pretty certain the license will change. There is a MYBB developer who was talking about charging for a plugin they are working on as well. Have other staff as well from MYBB who moderate etc at some of the paid plugin author sites as well. I dont see them willing to just agree on keeping this current license and thus risking what they do elsewhere and or with the friends they have elsewhere.

I don't think you understand the GNU/GPL license very much. It is not the fact that people charge for plugins - In fact, the GNU/GPL encourages it: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html - but the fact that plugins, in the terms of the GNU/GPL don't allow them to be a non-GNU/GPL compatible license. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLAndPlugins

The legal issue that comes up is that based on the wording of that document, that they are talking about C/C++ based plugins for applications. Why is this an issue? C/C++ plugins MUST be compiled into the application and redistrobuted as one - They can't be "dynamically linked in" and removed and added at the owners discretion, and sold or distributed wherever the plugin creator wishes, which is how PHP/MyBB does it. I believe, as do many others, that the GNU/GPL v3 doesn't address this difference properly and therefore creates a legal hindrance that just drives adoption away from the GNU/GPL.

I think Ryan made it pretty clear that he doesnt wanna hurt the guys who do the paid plugins and so the only way to go about that is to change the license again for them guys.

We never wanted to "hurt" them in the first place - The mere fact that is it an issue now, versus before is what is prompting us to look into what we can do to resolve the issue.

It is most unfortunate that MYBB added such people to the staff and development team.

That's horrible. So what if I want to make a few bucks in my spare time? Your going to tell me that I can't do that? Your being prejudice against the few soles that actually pour sweat, blood, and countless hours of time into MyBB to actually keep MyBB running.


I am on vacation right now, and it is past 1 AM as I am typing this so I will go through more when I get time. I really do hate that this has been turned into such a big issue, when there have been plenty of opportunities to just move on and cause all of us less angst.

Ryan
 
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MattF

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That's still not a confirmation it is changing. All that Ryan has confirmed is that MyBB are looking at other licenses.

My point still stands that they could choose to stick with their current license.

Just on that point, however, that thread was never open long enough to find out. This is a slightly off-topic post, btw.

I must admit that the fact that thread referenced above was closed, for what appeared to be no good reason, does tend to make one think that MyBB's lead developer decided he didn't want to discuss the subject any further, so just closed the thread. Not exactly an awe inspiring attitude. Makes it bloody hard to have a reasonable discussion too, (which it was), when someone does that trick.
 

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I think these modification creators charge a fair price for the hard work they put into making these mods. If people want to be whiners about it, they need to just learn PHP and make their own stuff LOL

Not everything in the world can be free ;)
 

The Sandman

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Just on that point, however, that thread was never open long enough to find out. This is a slightly off-topic post, btw.

I must admit that the fact that thread referenced above was closed, for what appeared to be no good reason, does tend to make one think that MyBB's lead developer decided he didn't want to discuss the subject any further, so just closed the thread. Not exactly an awe inspiring attitude. Makes it bloody hard to have a reasonable discussion too, (which it was), when someone does that trick.
For the record, I closed the thread. Ryan's statement at the time seemed like it should put the debate on hold pending final word on the changes to be made (if any) to the MyBB license. I don't mind thoughtful debate, as long as it's respectful and not intrusive into other facets of TAZ.
 

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Personally, I find it acceptable for a central place to have a subscription service (an alternative would be nice of course).
I believe that the level and quality of support of a number of these guys is well worth a symbolic 'subscription'.

Concerning the issue of commercial mods, this isnt incompatible with the GPL, and as MyBB doesnt get distributed with these, nothing would require it to switch from the GPL. An opensource licence indicates a clear commitment to raise the standards in the forum ecosphere.

If MyBB was licenced under the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGPL"]Affero General Public License - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Affero_General_Public_License_3_Logo.svg" class="image"><img alt="Affero General Public License 3 Logo.svg" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f2/Affero_General_Public_License_3_Logo.svg/200px-Affero_General_Public_License_3_Logo.svg.png"@@AMEPARAM@@en/thumb/f/f2/Affero_General_Public_License_3_Logo.svg/200px-Affero_General_Public_License_3_Logo.svg.png[/ame], I'd understand why there could be a concern about serverside code/mods, but being 'only' GPL, I see no reason why switching away from it would be justified, let alone reasonable (forking would be more than likely, at least to preserve a MyBB whose code would remain opensource. See the XFree86 'versus' X.org case)
 
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MattF

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For the record, I closed the thread.

Cheers for clearing that point up. :)

Concerning the issue of commercial mods, this isnt incompatible with the GPL, and as MyBB doesnt get distributed with these, nothing would require it to switch from the GPL.

If I remember correctly, any code which cannot work independently of GPL code would need to be GPL licensed itself.
 
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Ryan Gordon

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I must admit that the fact that thread referenced above was closed, for what appeared to be no good reason, does tend to make one think that MyBB's lead developer decided he didn't want to discuss the subject any further, so just closed the thread.

I did not close the thread. It was closed by a TAZ moderator here.

:tiphat:

If I remember correctly, any code which cannot work independently of GPL code would need to be GPL licensed itself.

Ryan Gordon said:
The legal issue that comes up is that based on the wording of that document, that they are talking about C/C++ based plugins for applications. Why is this an issue? C/C++ plugins MUST be compiled into the application and redistrobuted as one - They can't be "dynamically linked in" and removed and added at the owners discretion, and sold or distributed wherever the plugin creator wishes, which is how PHP/MyBB does it. I believe, as do many others, that the GNU/GPL v3 doesn't address this difference properly and therefore creates a legal hindrance that just drives adoption away from the GNU/GPL.
 
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wGEric

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The GPL doesn't forbid charging money, it just grants redistribution rights (it's a lot less restrictive than the SMF license).

Quoted for emphasis. The OP seems to think that GPL means free (money) when it doesn't.
 

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Posting PM's / emails without asking the 3rd party is a bit out of order. As for talking to lawyers, why not just contact the FSF and ask them how the license should be interpreted, they wrote it after all and will be more than happy to provide any advice you need, that said, thats clearly something that should have done prior to making the change in the first place...
 

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There is a fairly important point that is being completely missed by a number of people in this topic.

MyBB (the organisation) hold the rights to their software and can, if they so wish, release it under multiple licenses. If they felt like the GPL was being violated by these plugins that are not released under the GPL, then the case could be made to hold water. As it stands, however, they are perfectly okay with it.


Personally, I am not a fan of commercial plugins. I feel like it takes something away from the sharing opensource spirit.
 

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In the end Paid Plugins are hurting the growth potential/MYBB's marketshare of users. I mean really who wants to convert from IPB/vB and have to fork out potentially up to the cost of keeping thier vB/IPB license for MYBB plugins so they can have the same features which is in most cases already built into vB/IPB? Yeah several people forget there is now around 7-8 (maybe 9 ) people doing that 5 dollar bit which add's up to about the cost ( if you need all of them ) of continued support/updates with a vB/IPB license. Or why should anyone in thier right mind wanna convert from PHPBB/SMF where all of this stuff is free and same support? Not to mention thats alot of people/places to keep track of. And alot of these same guys who are pro paid plugins often wonder why there is hardly any decent/quality/professional sites using MYBB. It is really ashame because as said alot of times MYBB itself is very good software and has alot more POTENTIAL then all the rest. And nobody sees this which is really ashame. I am just thankfull that my MYBB forum doesnt need any of that stuff.
 

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Well all im saying when someone mentions that the other side doesn't respond. I still can't think why should anyone pay any addition to open source free software. Basically that kind of behavior is digging a grave for MyBB. Sorry but if you thought that im fan of the SMF and phpbb3 you're wrong. I'll present MyBB to every person rather then those two Bulletin Board systems. The thing here is everyone starts with this sentence:,, For a little fee of 5$ you get access to many plugins''. ,, It really worth's paying as you get unlimited access to best plugins". What many of you don't see is that your are marketing plugin developers not the software. Basically by doing that you encourage every new plugin developer to make plugins commercial as they look at example of mybbcentral. Many people don't have access to paypal or their countries have strict policies of taking money out of the country. So if they can't pay what then? Deny many successful webmasters out there because they can't pay. I'm sick of people that tell me the sentence above when i ask where to get some plugin. If wordpress had that policy there wouldn't be many successful blogs out there. I would rather use free plugin with security hole then using any of Jesse Labrrocas plugin, be it that they are free or payed.

Copied from other thread.
Oh and Good bye TAZ. When you learn to have (moderators not in friendship with plugin developers)better people as well more objective that will not bury the software in the ground. Some of you are acting like communist, but sorry to disappoint you all this is democracy. I'm sick of people that try to defend payed plugins. It would be rather better to donate to Jesse Labrocca money then to pay for his plugins, because in a normal world people get real job. And as i said in that post, he owns biggest hacking forum on the web, so chances are better that i will turn back and never use software if this keeps comming up then using one of his hacker plugins. I'm disappointed at MyBB community for the support of hacking. Really a shame. As the open source software develepor/support (gaming software) i know how much commercial things brings damage to open source. And HarryWx it seems you're only one that get's the same point as i.
 

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Well all im saying when someone mentions that the other side doesn't respond. I still can't think why should anyone pay any addition to open source free software. Basically that kind of behavior is digging a grave for MyBB. Sorry but if you thought that im fan of the SMF and phpbb3 you're wrong. I'll present MyBB to every person rather then those two Bulletin Board systems. The thing here is everyone starts with this sentence:,, For a little fee of 5$ you get access to many plugins''. ,, It really worth's paying as you get unlimited access to best plugins". What many of you don't see is that your are marketing plugin developers not the software. Basically by doing that you encourage every new plugin developer to make plugins commercial as they look at example of mybbcentral. Many people don't have access to paypal or their countries have strict policies of taking money out of the country. So if they can't pay what then? Deny many successful webmasters out there because they can't pay. I'm sick of people that tell me the sentence above when i ask where to get some plugin. If wordpress had that policy there wouldn't be many successful blogs out there. I would rather use free plugin with security hole then using any of Jesse Labrrocas plugin, be it that they are free or payed.

Copied from other thread.
Oh and Good bye TAZ. When you learn to have (moderators not in friendship with plugin developers)better people as well more objective that will not bury the software in the ground. Some of you are acting like communist, but sorry to disappoint you all this is democracy. I'm sick of people that try to defend payed plugins. It would be rather better to donate to Jesse Labrocca money then to pay for his plugins, because in a normal world people get real job. And as i said in that post, he owns biggest hacking forum on the web, so chances are better that i will turn back and never use software if this keeps comming up then using one of his hacker plugins. I'm disappointed at MyBB community for the support of hacking. Really a shame. As the open source software develepor/support (gaming software) i know how much commercial things brings damage to open source. And HarryWx it seems you're only one that get's the same point as i.

1)Even staff have opinions and are welcome to post them just like any other user.

2)MyBB isn't the only forum software that has a hacking forum.

3) Bye
 

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True on that, other bulletin boards have their hacking forum, but centrals of those forums(main sites) don't allow promotion of the hacking forums on their forums.
Edit: I'll stay on forum.
 
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