Looks like some people are trying to be overnight millionaires selling Xenforo 2 mods!

Soulwatcher

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And that's absolutely, the ultimate standard. It's "overpriced" to YOU. Your entire argument is silly actually. As I said earlier, if you don't like the prices you can always learn to code.
Or until someone sells the same addon for a cheaper price. Which will happen in a few months. ;)
 

Anton Chigurh

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Or until someone sells the same addon for a cheaper price. Which will happen in a few months
Makes it a completely moot point - millionaires or not.
Ironically being able to code makes me appreciate what it takes to write software which is the very reason why I would rather pay someone else to do it.
I totally feel that - but of course we're talking a completely different animal here. If you wanted something custom coded that wasn't available out there you would get to negotiate the price with the coder you hired, and not be stuck with the price set for one already done. I've done that many times too.

I state "learn to code" as a productive alternative to whining about high prices for addons. I don't see you whining, because as you said you appreciate what it takes to write software.
 

Paul M

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.... but in truth a lot of free mods were simply stripped-down versions of paid mods.
I don't know if thats the case with XF, but it certainly wasnt the case on vb.org.
(I never charged a single penny for any of mine, instead we had a system where you could "donate" if you wanted).

Maybe its different for XF mods as they are a more recent entity, when the days of something for nothing are more rare.
 

cellarius

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I don't know if thats the case with XF, but it certainly wasnt the case on vb.org.
(I never charged a single penny for any of mine, instead we had a system where you could "donate" if you wanted).
And while I could never compare my addons with Paul's (quantity and most likely qualitywise), I never charged either. And hardly any of the addons I used where paid. Back then it was kind of a give and take system. Had I had to pay for all the addons I used, I may have charged for mine, too.

And, in my opinion, it wasn't "greedy coders" that broke that system. At least for me, it was greedy users that never donated, never said thanks, but wanted everything yesterday. If the addon didn't do exactly what they wanted, they did not ask for enhancements, they complained. They wouldn't understand that guys who coded in their spare time and shared what they basically coded to use on their own forums would not be arund 24/7 and respond to support questions (often rather support demands) within the hour.
 

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In my mind there are 3 broad classes of people who release add-ons - developers, coders, and "makers". Developers are experienced coders capable of designing and constructing large, complex add-ons with few if any issues using best coding practices and maintaining them over time. Coders are knowledgeable about code and able to properly construct working add-ons up to medium size/complexity. Makers do not possess true coding skills but are able to turn out simple, mostly workable add-ons that have more frequent problems.

There is no sense in discussing the cost of an add-on without first recognizing the skill of its creator, its size and complexity, and its usefulness to a forum.
 

Xon

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If it's anything like moving from IP.Board 3.x to IPS4, then it is essentially the same thing. I'm not familiar with XF1 or XF2, but I would assume that code is not compatible between the two versions, so a complete rewrite would be required to update an add-on to be compatible with XF2.
On the difficulty of going from XF1 to XF2, well both are written in PHP otherwise you are writing entirely new code.

Nearly all my add-ons integrated deeply with XenForo to improve existing functionality, this means I need to completely rewrite virtually everything since in many case XenForo 2.x carries over missing functionality.
 

LiquidServe

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All of my clients know that I don't release addons for XenForo. I only do custom development.
Why?
Because it's not sustainable to provide support at the low cost people browsing XF marketplace are used to be paying. It takes time and effort developing something. Plus people expect so much out of the support, it makes no sense releasing it.

Coming to the point. One of my client who happens to be fluent with HTML and CSS asked me if he needed to buy a $6 addon he saw on XF2 marketplace. He figured it was unnecessary for him to pay for something he could write himself in under 5 minutes. I typed out the code for him on Skype in under a minute and he pasted it in the correct spot and achieved what he was looking for. That guy doesn't code for a living but if he could figure out there is no value in what the addon provided, so can most of the people.

Certainly people are smart enough that no addon developer will become a millionaire selling such type of add-ons, but at the same time if something is high priority for you and your forum and the $5 addon provides value for your community, then I would ask you to buy it in a jiffy.

PS: I doubt that any company sold more than $1M worth of addons on XenForo Marketplace so far. Has any?
 

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One of my client who happens to be fluent with HTML and CSS asked me if he needed to buy a $6 addon he saw on XF2 marketplace. He figured it was unnecessary for him to pay for something he could write himself in under 5 minutes. I typed out the code for him on Skype in under a minute
Which addon was that?
I'm curious about wether the charge in your example is justified somehow, like being about the support rather than the code itself.
 

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PS: I doubt that any company sold more than $1M worth of addons on XenForo Marketplace so far. Has any?
No. lol. Thats for certain. Normal addon sales do not make anyone rich. Even the exclusive rights for very large custom addons are unlikely to be anywhere near that range.
 
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I have been in and out of forums for a while, and so had my fair share of vBulletin mods free + paid + even had a couple custom jobs done. Same as on xF free + paid mods.

In some cases, at first glance, it can look like some of these mods are over priced. I remember the first time I saw the xF Bookie thing I almost choked on my coffee. I mean back when vb.org this was free, and although I am not a coder when it was abandoned I was able to clean up the code, add fixes etc and re-release it on there for other vbookie lovers.

Then I realized how much work went into re-coding xF Bookie into the XF code, and saw how many people were demanding support etc and so understood.

I highly appreciate every coders efforts, the hours they give and try to donate when I can - at the very least I post that I have installed it and rate it five stars. AndyB recently helped me with one of my sites and think he deserves to charge for his mods.

BUT in saying that (and this isn't directed at anyone in particular) charging for a couple lines of CSS edits is a bit too far. I went to a private site (not XF.com) and saw a great coder wanting to charge $8 to centre the header image. Some people will buy it.

I'd also like to miss the good 'ld days where forum admins were a community (which by the way I am excited to be back posting here at TAZ - was very involved in the past and hope to be heavily involved again now) where we'd help each other out when/if we could. A.K.A for example the footer on this site, you'd post and go geez the footer is awesome and the staff would reply with A) How to do it, or B) Where you could it from (or a link to a style that had similar).

It just seems with every Tom, Dick and Harry having a website now most admins keep their cards close to their chests.

But coders are well within their rights to charge what they see fit - sometimes I look and go geez that would be nice to have on my site, then see the price and just cant justify paying that amount so move on.

I don't think anyone is becoming a millionaire.

Just my 2 cents really.
 

Tracy Perry

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No. lol. Thats for certain. Normal addon sales do not make anyone rich. Even the exclusive rights for very large custom addons are unlikely to be anywhere near that range.
Now, now... we all know that Chris D received 2.8 gajillion USD for his gallery add-on and a place on the development team from XenForo. ;)

And no, I seriously doubt that there has been anyone even break into the 6 figure zone.... although I can think of a few that deserve that ability for the quality of the add-ons they provide.
 

LiquidServe

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Now, now... we all know that Chris D received 2.8 gajillion USD for his gallery add-on and a place on the development team from XenForo. ;)

And no, I seriously doubt that there has been anyone even break into the 6 figure zone.... although I can think of a few that deserve that ability for the quality of the add-ons they provide.
I know that someone has hit the 6 figure mark. Not sure if anyone has hit the 7 figure mark though.
 

Tracy Perry

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I know that someone has hit the 6 figure mark. Not sure if anyone has hit the 7 figure mark though.
On a singular add-on? Which one that you know of that has done that with an add-on (not a suite of add-ons, but a singular add-on).
 

LeadCrow

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On a singular add-on?
I doubt it's possible. Even official Xenforo addons like the gallery and ressource manager likely didnt earn their company that much (at 40$ a copy, youd need 25.000 sales).

The only way anyone could become 'millionaire' selling addons and skins is acquiring and creating as many as possible, and maintain this way a diversified source of earnings. If buyers need choice, let them buy something else from your shop than seek another modder's offerings.
 

Yugensoft

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They wouldn't understand that guys who coded in their spare time and shared what they basically coded to use on their own forums would not be arund 24/7 and respond to support questions (often rather support demands) within the hour.
Exactly. Over at xenforo there's a resource for integrating steam with a forum. It's free and opensource.

Due to the XF2 upgrade, it will no longer work, so people are asking in the discussion if he can please upgrade it, including one guy who said he'll pay for it (answer still no, not worth it to him probably because he's getting his market worth elsewhere).

But then one guy comes in an basically says it's unacceptable that XF2 is available and this dev hasn't already ported it.

After the dev has supported it for free for 5 years. Like he is somehow owed more freebies for having consumed the other ones.

The audacity is just mind boggling.

Putting a price on things is the only way to ensure devs stay interested in supporting the stuff (such as when a kid comes along and pet projects aren't so important anymore), and to screen those types out.
 
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