Is TAZ now (or soon to be owned) by VerticalScope?

KimmiKat

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Mobile meant for talking. Computers for everything else!

Sadly last time I went into a big box store the computer section shrunk replaced by.....ewww mobile crap.
I’ve seen people write 1000+ word posts on their phone, but you're never going to convince me it’s ever able to be a good experience writing a lot on mobile. You *can* but mostly won’t want to.
 

cdub24

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Mobile meant for talking. Computers for everything else!

Sadly last time I went into a big box store the computer section shrunk replaced by.....ewww mobile crap.
This is the mindset of old school forum people and is why forums have declined. Future is phones and it needs to be mobile friendly. Thankfully XF is very mobile friendly.

EDIT: phone autocorrected mobile to minor 🤣
 
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KimmiKat

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Some of us grew up without those phones and got along fine. But that's for another topic, since the thread was about TMZ getting the VSvid.

This is the mindset of old school forum people and is why forums have declined. Future is phones and it needs to be mobile friendly. Thankfully XF is very mobile friendly.

EDIT: phone autocorrected mobile to minor 🤣
 

cdub24

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Some of us grew up without those phones and got along fine. But that's for another topic, since the thread was about TMZ getting the VSvid.
Myself included. But the trend online is pretty apparent. But yes. Another topic.
 

sbjsbj

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Literally all my forum use is on my phone.

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But you literally prove my point.

You have quoted a post of mine, which consists of 490 words and 2815 characters (without the quotes of people I quoted). So just my writings.

Yet you answered to my post with 9 words and 42 characters.

All of your responses in this thread are one-liners. Coincidence?

No, that is the state of the world right now.

Forum world thrives by doing long discussions. That is the core mechanic of a forum. But the world we live in is the world of mobile phones. And that is the opposite of what we want. As we can clearly see from your posts. Because they are designed and good for short writings. It is tedious to write and to read long stuff on a phone. So either we adapt or we die, easy as that.
 

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It is tedious to write and to read long stuff on a phone. So either we adapt or we die, easy as that.

Or, which would be my preferred solution to the problem, become the only kind of community that still targets people who don't think emojis are a full sentence. If the touchscreen typists don't want to be catered by forums, forums shouldn't degrade themselves to still cater them. Good riddance, touchscreeners!
 

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EDIT: phone autocorrected mobile to minor 🤣

You might see how your weird gadget will even make you look dumb in any conversation you participate in. (If only there was a way to proofread text before submitting it to an online database... or is it?)

My Model M does not "auto"-"correct" me.
 

sbjsbj

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Or, which would be my preferred solution to the problem, become the only kind of community that still targets people who don't think emojis are a full sentence. If the touchscreen typists don't want to be catered by forums, forums shouldn't degrade themselves to still cater them. Good riddance, touchscreeners!
In a perfect world, yes. If you have the luxury to be knightly, go ahead. But from a business point of view, it means your death.
Even if you run a non-commercial place, like I do, it means the death.

For the greater good, we have to degrade ourselves. If 99% of your competition does it, and it works, and you think you don't need it, well, good bye. The internet is a place without a conscious. It does not care which websites grow and which ones die. What is the point of running a forum, if you are giving yourself a big disadvantage out of pride where the result means less potential visitors? I mean say theoretically you have 100 thousand potential visitors. That is your target audience. By not adapting, you are limiting yourself to only 10-30 thousand from the start. Your success chances decrease so much. Most of us can't afford that, we are small timers, we want as much audience as we can get.
 

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But from a business point of view, it means your death.

The business point of view is not the most interesting point of view when it comes to online discussions. If it was, TAZ should be a Facebook page and that's it then.

If 99% of your competition does it, and it works, and you think you don't need it, well, good bye.

I don't think that being just like every other product is a unique selling point.
 

zappaDPJ

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I oversee ~130 Communities in the automotive space and I can say that forums are not dead, we are growing. virtually across the network, large and small communities are growing and activity is outpacing previous years. What is needed is radical transformation of most leadership teams to ensure they reflect the current customer demographic. This can be very difficult and painful to achieve.
So either we adapt or we die, easy as that.
I don't know if we are all singing from exactly the same hymn sheet but it does seem to me there is some recognition that we need to move forward and adapt better to the online world as it is now.
 

sbjsbj

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The business point of view is not the most interesting point of view when it comes to online discussions. If it was, TAZ should be a Facebook page and that's it then.
It is not the most interesting, I agree, but as I said, we don't live in a perfect world. You can't just skip the basics in highschool, and expect to become a math prof later. You have to do the core part, which is not the most interesting, in order to get to the interesting part.

I don't think that being just like every other product is a unique selling point.
Who says one is just like every other product? All great minds of earth, who ever lived, they shared many things, like hands, fingers, legs, brains, etc.
Having a common core part does not exclude you from being different, special or unique.

So, you can, no, you should have common things with every other product. What is right is right. Have you seen Elon Musk? That guy thinks building a car (that triangle one) without following common knowledge of aesthetics and air dynamic makes him special. No, it just makes it bad. Or have you seen his futuristic idea? Where he wants to solve the traffic problem? That guy is crazy stupid and knows how to milk money out of stupid rich people.
His idea is to build tunnels under the city and populate them with cars. So basically a metro, but sold as a new idea. So, my point is, there are always core things in everything we all should make use of, because they work. Just for the sake of being unique abandoning basic principles is a bad idea.

I don't know if we are all singing from exactly the same hymn sheet but it does seem to me there is some recognition that we need to move forward and adapt better to the online world as it is now.
I've said it before, I say it again. All what we can do is to write these longs posts. We are no developers or big companies. We are forced to follow the route of what the forum software companies allow us to go. They have to make the difference here. For example, some users in my forum asked me to create a dedicated app for my forum. And they listed all these fancy stuff they would like to see. Well, I don't have tens of thousands of dollars of budget to create myself a dedicated app. I can only offer what XF makes possible to offer.
We all say we need to adapt but I believe the forum software companies are just not adapting or adapting fast enough. Nothing we can do about it.
 

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So, my point is, there are always core things in everything we all should make use of, because they work.

And the core thing of web forums are long, elaborated posts with some level of sophistication, which makes them pleasantly different from Emojigram and similar atrocities. In web forums, there is (almost) unlimited space to organize one's thoughts, to formulate them and to give them the space they need - not only to find an audience but also to, well, advance a discussion. That won't work if you are primarily targeting people whose attention span doesn't go beyond two full stops.
 

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I wholeheartedly agree with you hence why I still passionately use forums and own a forum.

But we can't close our eyes and act like nothing is wrong. We must adapt, we already were on the losing side of the war when social media came out (2008-2015) but the rise of mobile phones killed us all. The world is favouring them. Again, either we adapt or we die even though it hurts my soul to write this.
 

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Which kind of adaption do you suggest which would not turn forums into a chatbox?
 

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Which kind of adaption do you suggest which would not turn forums into a chatbox?
The same kind I’ve been evangelising for years: features that augment the forum more specifically for its niche that social media can’t compete with.

In my case this is all kinds of supplementary features, reporting and cataloguing of topics (and other data), or more esoteric features like “a user can have 5 avatars and choose if they want to rotate those randomly on their posts or set which avatar to which post” (actually surprisingly common request).

Did I mention my niche acts *weirdly*?
 

KimmiKat

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Hopefully they don't turn this place into the mess they call AVSforum. VSed boards due run slower in many cases, due to the increased advertising stuff.
 
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