IPB4 / xF: 2015's opinions?

tomk

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Depends on the QA. XenForo releases new features -but normally they are well tested and their releases rarely have bugs.
4.0.10 is old news, 4.0.10.1 will be out in a few minutes, I'd imagine 4.0.10.2 later today or tomorrow.

QA, we don't need no stinkin' QA.
 

Tracy Perry

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The one that sits in every single WBB I've seen yet. "Board structure" or something. It seems that it's mandatory to have it look exactly like it does, or at least no one seems to be willing to change it.
You referring to the side-bar?

Screen-Shot-2015-07-13-at-9.59.33-AM.jpg

If so, I'm sure that can be styled. Issue is that since their user base is not that large, there are not that many people really doing that much "pushing the envelope" with it.
 

the grayson

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jekyll depends on what you are looking for. If you are looking for a forums-only option, then I'd stick to Xenforo or WBB with a paid style/theme and some custom work. Both of those scripts offer far more features when it comes to forums features compared to IPS4, things like selective quoting, better editors, and so on.

IPS Blogs and Gallery are also very new, and lack basic features, like Archive by date for Blog. If you need either of these options, I'd suggest you look at WBB with Blogs and Gallery (2.1 beta).

The value-add for IPS is Pages, which allows you to create custom pages and integrate with all the other add-ons into your site. Very powerful and I don't think they have a competitor with this add-on, but I could be wrong. At least not one fully integrated into the package released and updated by the core team.

WBB is pretty powerful and full featured, and they have a pretty aggressive release schedule for fixes and features. You are correct though, without some style work WBB is boring and looks like most other WBB sites. There are some awesome styles available and very affordable from cls-design however, which change the entire look of WBB. Take a look at this site for what an awesome custom skinned WBB site looks like (not my site btw).

I like where IPS is headed, they are doing some neat things, and more focused around 'content' then topics/threads, and bringing it all together. The development pace has finally picked up, which is good. The bad is that each new release brings many new bugs, some so simple you question if they actually test this stuff before they put it up for download. They just released 4.0.10 this morning, which is focused mainly on bug fixes, we'll see how this release works over the next few days.

TLDR; if you need forums-only, XenForo and WBB with paid styles are your best bet. If you need blogs/gallery/etc, WBB and IPS (if you can wait) with their respective add-on's are your best bet.

All my opinion btw, at the end of the day you should sign-up for the hosted demo's from each vendor and test them out and see how YOU like them.
I think in regards to styles, that is likely subjective to the individual user. Only because of what we find to be attractive or suitable for styles will differ between customers so I probably wouldn't use that as criteria as to which is better or worse. But I do agree with your overall post.
Ahh, I see. :morganna:

IPS4 seems to lack community contributions yet.
Yes and No...
Yes because it is a complete rewrite so all of the existing contributions are not applicable with Version 4.

No because considering the product is new and only recently released gold, they do have a pretty decent selection of skins as well as 3rd party resources thus far in a short time. From what I gather many of the 3.X products are being updated regularly to Version 4
https://community.invisionpower.com/files/


I was wrong. I tis actually more than 30 percent of their users.

I used the reference to DP cookie tracker
https://tools.digitalpoint.com/cookie-search

Scroll down. 32% percent of IPS customers are running on Version 4
 

Tracy Perry

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Scroll down. 32% percent of IPS customers are running on Version 4
That's all users including new ones (like me). If i'm a new licensee, why would i want to run the legacy code?
It's a pity it can't break down the actual number of legacy that have performed an upgrade.

What I find amusing from those charts is a whole 0.3% of the vBulletin base are on version 5 and 2.2% on 5.1.
 

the grayson

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That's all users including new ones (like me). If i'm a new licensee, why would i want to run the legacy code?
It's a pity it can't break down the actual number of legacy that have performed an upgrade.

What I find amusing from those charts is a whole 0.3% of the vBulletin base are on version 5 and 2.2% on 5.1.
If I am no mistaken, it actually Is still possible to buy 4.X and run 3.x if you so choose
 

Tracy Perry

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You can.. and I had to, to do the conversion of the site from myBB 1.8 to IPS. But the point was - why would one want to run the legacy code if you were new to the script.

Kind of like paying $500,000 for last years Lamborghini and you could have gotten this years for the same price - why go with the old when you can do newer.
 

the grayson

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You can.. and I had to, to do the conversion of the site from myBB 1.8 to IPS. But the point was - why would one want to run the legacy code if you were new to the script.

Kind of like paying $500,000 for last years Lamborghini and you could have gotten this years for the same price - why go with the old when you can do newer.
A good likelihood is that while the code is legacy, the add-on and style support for their 3.X line is still higher than the 4.x line is and this also gives individuals time to move to that particular platform while giving a little more time for 4.X to mature. I've seen some users do this. With VB, but they quickly discovered that they were waiting for a mature VB5 for nothing.

Another reason is that you can still run a perfectly adequate forum on their 3.X line for some time to come as well. Nothing really too bad about it.
 

jekyll

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Oh, IPB.

My demo still has bandwidth issues. I registered on their forums (as "Some-User") to tell them. After confirming my account, I could not log in because a "-" was "not allowed" ...

:rolleyes:
 

jekyll

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^ This is finally a WBB with a distinctive design. Nice. :)
 

jekyll

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I've (finally) been playing with the IPB4 suite for half a day now and am deply impressed. Everything's so clean. :love:

Now if they would finally get the BBcode editor right, next time my xF needs a renewal, I'll throw a dice.
 

Tracy Perry

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My biggest issue is (compared to XenForo) the complexity of simple stuff like using CSS to change the looks of a pinned/locked topic. Trying to find the CSS selectors (if there ARE any) that are specific to the pinned/sticky is driving me nuts. In XF it's a simple as
Code:
.discussionList .sticky
for the base selector and then adding the other selectors (for avatar, post controls, etc) that you need. It appears that in addition to some CSS, you have to edit the templates to add additional CSS style designative properties in... which I don't really mind doing but their templates are just as "different" as their CSS designators.

The CSS in IPS seems unnecessarily obtuse - for example
Code:
html[dir="ltr"] .ipsColumns > .ipsColumn:last-child:not( .ipsPad )
or
Code:
html[dir="ltr"] .ipsToolList.ipsToolList_horizontal > li
You can (once you start getting familiar with it) follow the "logic" behind it, but good luck on trying to find any real documentation on it.
 
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jekyll

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tomk I can't really decide which certain thing caught my eye. I might write down a couple of notes here though (from a XenForo user's POV, phpBB would be an unfair comparison).

First impression (front-end): Everything's kept tidy. It looks professional and well-thought, especially when being compared to the other "major" paid board systems. I can't remember having seen such a clean, good looking default template before. Well, MyBB's 1.8 drafts went into a similar direction but they were already much more colorful. Where XenForo tries to set its accents with little spots of color and round borders, IPB has dark, noble squares all over the place. Very easy on the eyes. The status updates area is awesome; while I (personally) wouldn't need it, I can't remember having seen a more powerful (built-in) one yet. Oh, and I like the lack of things that open in JavaScript layers immediately. Finally I can move my mouse without accidentally having to look at other things.

First impression (admin area): This board system surely seems to be built for companies rather than individuals. There is a large Dollar sign in the settings, allowing me to set "commercial goals" and payments. Nice to have if I'll ever want to make money with a forum. That said, the whole admin area does things quite a lot better than XenForo. XenForo and its add-ons can (in my very own opinion) be a bit annoying with its settings in not immediately obvious submenus. This part of the IP.Board takes into consideration that today's desktop screens are becoming wider and wider while still being responsive. The split into a "main menu" on the left side and a "submenu" on the right left side :noid: does not waste my wide screen space, on my smartphone (and when I make my desktop browser small enough) it all lands in a "burger menu" without losing functionality or clearness. Nice.

Second impressions: It seems to be virtually impossible to make a bad looking IPB theme. However, since the Community Suite is still young, the grayson was obviously right. The (former) "official" German support forums don't have much v4 activity yet, which is quite different from the xF scene where everyone seems to run new beta versions whenever they come out. IPB's price tag is very hard though. I guess I'd start with a not-so-new license if the dice tells me to.

Now if they only brought back the BBcodes. :rant:

(I just noticed my typo. I'll let it stand here for ashaming reasons.)
 

Sherrie

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Popups can be disabled and the sidebar can be customised, you can choose all sorts of things to have in there or not have it at all.
 

TimeDev

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I am between the 2 right now, I think Xenforo is a better forum but I love the IPB completeness with official addons. I really dont want the mess of the vBulletin era where you had to use a lot of plugins to add stuff back in (caveat I know I would need addons for both but major features like CMS are nice if they are official) and hoping it all works. The major niggles for IPB for me are some things are too basic because they have not seen them as important enough, no importer... and performance isnt anywhere near as epic as Xenforo currently. They also have search system issues which they are promising improvements in September but its all a bit slow. I have seen 2 big sites move across and 1 had a few issues but generally the userbase was happy and the other was a bit of a disaster with hate from all the users after so its a mixed bag.
 
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