Interview With Jonathan Wainwright (AKA Waindigo) - The Sequel

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Interview With Jonathan Wainwright (AKA Waindigo) - The Sequel

We did our first Interview with Waindigo a little more than a year ago. A few things have changed since then, and some of you had additional questions for Jon so we decided to do this follow-up interview.

Thanks to Jon for taking time out of his busy schedule to answer these questions (and also to let people know that doing an interview with TAZ can have consequences :eek:).

Jon W is a member here, so if you have any additional questions for him go ahead and ask!

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I think a lot of people find it hard to understand or even keep up with your business model. Can you tell us the status of Waindigo Enterprises, Waindigo Industries, and the Waindigo Foundation?


Yer, sorry about that. The two companies are now being dissolved. Waindigo Enterprises went bust, Waindigo Industries is Dom’s company that is no longer needed as he is no longer part of Waindigo. Waindigo Foundation was officially dissolved on 20th January 2015.

I am now trading on my own under a new company, Waindigo Ltd. I know it all sounds complicated, but the whole purpose of this latest change is to really simplify things for the future. From now on there will be just me owning 100% of one company that does everything.


Can you explain your business model?

The biggest part of the business is the bespoke development of add-ons. I charge an hourly fee for development and offer a 50% discount if I’m allowed to retain the rights to what is developed.

Every single one of the add-ons is then made available to download from the XenForo resources section for personal use, testing purposes and for other developers to play with.

For commercial sites, I ask for a compulsory donation in order to use the add-on.


How do donations work?

I want as many people to use our add-ons as possible, but in order to provide a decent level of support (fixing bugs, ensuring compatibility with other add-ons and future XenForo versions, etc.), I feel it is only fair that if people are making money from sites that use our add-ons that we should be fairly compensated.

Every site is different though, so we ask that sites just pay whatever they can afford. We have some suggested amounts on the site and I’m happy to offer a personalised suggestion to anyone who sends me a message. The suggested...

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Cierra

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Interesting interview. I don't use XenForo, so haven't used any of your add-ons. :einstein:
 

Jon W

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Do you have a similar policy? I don't think I use any of your add-ons, but would you have a problem with me using them on my site with adult related content?
Great question.

I don't think the Bible says I shouldn't, although I would want to be very careful that the majority of my business didn't come from such sites as I wouldn't want to become dependent on such proceeds. I think it really comes down to one's conscience.

When it comes to a matter of conscience, you will find many different views. A weak conscience (i.e., not wanting to get involved at all) is such a great gift. At the same time, God gives some Christian's stronger consciences because he wants to reach out to everyone.

For me, I know I would find it uncomfortable if you asked me to visit your site and fix a bug with my add-on. I would have to insist that you set up a test site with no pornographic images. I guess in this case it would be much easier to provide you with a refund as I wouldn't be concerned about you having gained access to my code (since I make it available to everyone).

If what you're doing is illegal then I guess that changes things slightly too, but that shouldn't really matter whether I was a Christian or not. Also, if you were claiming to be a Christian I would have issues with it, and the Bible does speak against that.

In this style developers case, it was probably a very wise decision to make a policy and stick to it if he thought it was an issue for him. I really can't see anything wrong with what he's done unless he knowingly allowed you to buy a theme knowing that you ran such a site.

If I was to take it to the extreme, I would have to rule out being involved with sites that contain any crude talk or anything like that, which seems unrealistic if my aim is to reach people who aren't Christians.

Hope that helps.
 

Alpha1

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Jon W I must say I am impressed with your integrity in regards to the disclaimer you have posted on various problematic addons. I do feel that the friends and trophies addons deserve the same disclaimer.
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ozzy47

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I get that Jon has a boat load of mods, and keeping up with them is problematic. But what I don't get is statements like that.

Now what if people contributed to have every mod maintained? Does that give you more hours in a day? Does it make maintaining them easier?

IMO, either it is supported, or it's not, don't make people pay to get support in that way.

Sell a subscription to people, that they get priority support for mods they are using, then that way you can cover more mods.
 

Jon W

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Now what if people contributed to have every mod maintained? Does that give you more hours in a day? Does it make maintaining them easier?
Of course it does. If people pay then I don't have to take on so much other development work, so I have more hours in a day. Or did you mean something else?
 

Flexin

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I think that when it comes to a add on, all bugs should be looked at. It doesn't matter if it is a paying customer or not. If the bug is in the code itself and not because of another add on then it should be looked at (at some point). For one, your paid customers could have the same issue. If it is fixed then you can save issues for them.

It is also your name on that product. Your business rests on your skills. Issues with a product hurt your business. I have owned more then one business and I don't like my name on anything that isn't up to my standards. It can be hard to do if you have a lot of work.

Maybe some add ons should be paid and not free. I love finding good free add ons. But if there is one that is good enough and priced right I'm will willing to pay. If your putting out a one that you feel will need a lot of support then it might be better to charge for it. Even a small fee helps at the end of the day. Having some feel add ons is a nice for the community and can be used as a business card in a way. But if you don't want to support them then for some of them it can end up just being a waste of your time.

I agree with others that are saying religious beliefs are better off being separate from your business life. I'm not saying not to be you. If there is something that someone wants you to develop that you don't agree with, content on their site that you don't agree with or a project that you feel will hurt your business or goes against your beliefs then don't do it.

That is just my opinion.

James
 

Alpha1

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In theory all bugs should be looked at. In practise its not possible for one person to maintain 250 addons.
I do feel however that when a client funds the development for an addon, that the addon should be free of bugs for at least 6 months.
In cases when an seemingly endless number of bug fixes does not result in a stable product, its a waste of investment for the client. But more importantly its a waste of time.
 

ozzy47

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Of course it does. If people pay then I don't have to take on so much other development work, so I have more hours in a day. Or did you mean something else?

Look at it this way.

If I as a customer, see you have 250 mods released I am going to think, wow this guy must really know his stuff. Maybe I should use his mods, or hire him to do some custom work.

Now I take a look through the mods threads, and see all kind of unresolved bugs I am going to rethink my evaluation.

Then I read further and see that the bugs can be fixed, but if someone pays to have then resolved. That leaves me to draw one of two conclusions.

1) You really have to much on your plate, and care more about the money rather that the quality or the work.
2) You leave bugs in the products, to try and get people to give you money.

Now I don't believe either is true, but you can see it could come across as such.
 
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