If you start a ProBoards forum you will never own it

HallofFamer

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I think the answer is so obvious now. We should all stop discussing proboards lol, at least IB's topics are somewhat entertaining while proboards is just a complete piece of trash not even worth talking about lol.
 

LeadCrow

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Essentially. Better start anywhere else with a takeout option (typically for money, but it has the merit to exist). Even mediocre hosted forums would be a better option.
 

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Essentially. Better start anywhere else with a takeout option (typically for money, but it has the merit to exist). Even mediocre hosted forums would be a better option.
Proboards itself is at best mediocre so of course a mediocre hosted forum would be a way better option. XD
 

gogoblender

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We should all stop discussing proboards lol, at least IB's topics are somewhat entertaining while proboards is just a complete piece of trash not even worth talking about lol.
Proboards itself is at best is mediocre so of course a mediocre hosted forum would be a way better option. XD

Hall of famer, please don't take this thread off topic.
A lot of big boards run on proboard's software, it's not the quality of their hosting I wish discussed here.
As I've pointed out on these Taz boards for years, free hosting doesn't impact the success of a forum.
Your comments are kind of irrelevant and not really connected to what I'm attempting to discover and settle though.
So back on topic okay?
:centerofuniverse:
I just wanted to confirm the absolute truth of this ...if someone starts a forum on proboards, its actually true then...they'll never really "own" it?
Will never be able to take the dbase to their own hosting?
This is a huge game breaker for me, and would be for anyone who wants to start a forum today...I mean most wanna do it because they want to "own" the revenue stream right?

:)

gogo
 

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Unless they change their ToS then as it stands members own the rights to their posted content and they give ProBoards the license to use that content on their service.

I'm pretty sure that as an admin you'll still have the rights to the name/likeness/design, that's owned by ProBoards or anything like that. However, all posts on your forum are licensed to ProBoards and not to you. So if you want to switch software you'll be violating the rights of all those users since you don't have the license to use their posted content...

Not that any of that has ever really stopped anyone from using the crawler converters though.
 

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For anyone who cares, i will give you an example of a forum that is hosted completely for free.
http://trollzilla.tk

If you are just starting a forum, you may be interested in taking my approach instead of going the route of using proboards or someother sponsored board host. thank you for your times and i am sorry for calling you all n00bs. i should have said beginners, and i apologize for any retention it may have caused in the regions of your posterior.
POD
 
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cheat_master30

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From what I hear they like to argue that they own the post content for some reason. However, I would also like to point out that no one's challenged them on this in court yet. Not saying it's a good thing to do, just that if you did grab the data via a converter and they did complain, I suspect you'd probably have... somewhat potentially decent luck legally. After all, quite a few countries don't like companies treating licenses and things like they're services rather than products...

But yes, Proboards does say you can never own your forum content if its hosted with them and claims its stated in their terms of service. A fairly good reason to be a bit hesistant of their services and stick with companies who let you take your own data elsewhere instead.
 

gogoblender

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Unless they change their ToS then as it stands members own the rights to their posted content and they give ProBoards the license to use that content on their service.

I'm pretty sure that as an admin you'll still have the rights to the name/likeness/design, that's owned by ProBoards or anything like that. However, all posts on your forum are licensed to ProBoards and not to you. So if you want to switch software you'll be violating the rights of all those users since you don't have the license to use their posted content...

Not that any of that has ever really stopped anyone from using the crawler converters though.
If every person one by one asked proboards for their "own" content, would it then be possible to say we would reconstruct a forum legally somewhere else from this?

From what I hear they like to argue that they own the post content for some reason.
Is this mentioned in their TOS that in trade for their hosting and software, the admin relinquishes the rights to his dbase?

Not saying I like it, but if ultimately control of a revenue stream is what this is all about, it comes off to me as a way of taking advantage of someone who comes to this hobby new, with no idea of "future" income.

Course there's many reasons to run free boards where noone wants to pay a cent...clubs, sports, clans, new admins creating...

:)

gogo
 

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If every person one by one asked proboards for their "own" content, would it then be possible to say we would reconstruct a forum legally somewhere else from this?
This is a very, very good and interesting point. I'd love to set up an experiment like this and see the response over there. Lock down registration to invite only, get about 20-50 people onboard and test out the terms and conditions based on common sense.

Is this mentioned in their TOS that in trade for their hosting and software, the admin relinquishes the rights to his dbase?


Not saying I like it, but if ultimately control of a revenue stream is what this is all about, it comes off to me as a way of taking advantage of someone who comes to this hobby new, with no idea of "future" income.

Course there's many reasons to run free boards where noone wants to pay a cent...clubs, sports, clans, new admins creating...

:)

gogo
You know, now you say that, it does make me think it's taking advantage of new forum owners.

It reminds me of PublishAmerica and other vanity publishers in the book publishing world. Lure people in with no experience and the promise of free services, then basically lock their work into 'contracts' they can't escape from and generally foster a sort of cult like mentality.
 

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bunch of freaking n00bs i give you an example of a forum that is hosted completely for free. people are ridiculously short sighted. its like nobody takes the time to learn stuff for thereselves anymore. http://trollzilla.tk
Nobody has said that you can't host a site for free.

However, very few successful, large forums can make it on free hosting on a permanent basis, there will come a time when free services will not be enough for your needs.

Your example isn't a very good one to be honest, it may be hosted free but it's not exactly a large board, the limitations of free hosting may be enough for it now but when it grows you'll find you need to upgrade..
 

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Nobody has said that you can't host a site for free.

However, very few successful, large forums can make it on free hosting on a permanent basis, there will come a time when free services will not be enough for your needs.

Your example isn't a very good one to be honest, it may be hosted free but it's not exactly a large board, the limitations of free hosting may be enough for it now but when it grows you'll find you need to upgrade..
which is exactly why its a great place for beginners to start, which was my overall point...
 

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bunch of freaking n00bs i give you an example of a forum that is hosted completely for free. people are ridiculously short sighted. its like nobody takes the time to learn stuff for thereselves anymore. http://trollzilla.tk
I really don't appreciate it when someone uses the word "n00b" could you kindly tone it down? This is a site for administrators.

As Lyacon has said, no one is saying you can't host a forum for free, what we are saying is the success of that forum is going to be extremely limited in comparison to forums hosted on an established paid hosting solution due to less limitations and policies being enforced which is statistically and factually true.

which is exactly why its a great place for beginners to start, which was my overall point...
Then you need to be clear about that when you post, and not try and sound like you know better than everyone else. Please.
 

POD

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I really don't appreciate it when someone uses the word "n00b" could you kindly tone it down? This is a site for administrators.

As Lyacon has said, no one is saying you can't host a forum for free, what we are saying is the success of that forum is going to be extremely limited in comparison to forums hosted on an established paid hosting solution due to less limitations and policies being enforced which is statistically and factually true.
um, maybe you misunderstood my point. i'm offering the op an alternative starting point to proboards....
 
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cheat_master30

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um, maybe you can learn to read a little better. i'm offering the op an alternative starting point to proboards....
Are you saying that you've found a decent free host (that isn't Proboards) and you're suggesting it?

Because if so, it would be kind of interesting to know the company your site is actually hosted with.
 

POD

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I really don't appreciate it when someone uses the word "n00b" could you kindly tone it down? This is a site for administrators.

As Lyacon has said, no one is saying you can't host a forum for free, what we are saying is the success of that forum is going to be extremely limited in comparison to forums hosted on an established paid hosting solution due to less limitations and policies being enforced which is statistically and factually true.



Then you need to be clear about that when you post, and not try and sound like you know better than everyone else. Please.
If it came off that way, its probably because i do, with all due respect. i'm just trying to help the beginners out, because i ran a very large proboards once upon a time and it was all for nothing.
POD
 
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POD

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Are you saying that you've found a decent free host (that isn't Proboards) and you're suggesting it?

Because if so, it would be kind of interesting to know the company your site is actually hosted with.
hosting:
cixx6.com

sql database:
myfreesql.net

registrar:
dot.tk
 

Train

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um, maybe you can learn to read a little better. i'm offering the op an alternative starting point to proboards....
You know, you could be a little bit more respectful of other members. Common sense and ethics and all that.

In regards to you "read better" comment, I'd ask you to do the same with the thread in general. Gogo is not interested in starting a proboards forum, he's interested in the information aspect of it.

Please think before you post, and show some respect. Take this as your verbal warning as well.
 

gogoblender

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I really don't appreciate it when someone uses the word "n00b" could you kindly tone it down? This is a site for administrators.

As Lyacon has said, no one is saying you can't host a forum for free, what we are saying is the success of that forum is going to be extremely limited in comparison to forums hosted on an established paid hosting solution due to less limitations and policies being enforced which is statistically and factually true.



Then you need to be clear about that when you post, and not try and sound like you know better than everyone else. Please.
I agree that the tone of a post with the words noob and idiots is dismissive and not constructive.

As train mentioned, this is a professional Admin forum, and the art as well as challenge is to find words and a writing style that critique but elevate as well.

Happily satisfied readers are return readers

:banana:

gogo
 

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If it came off that way, its probably because i do, with all due respect. i'm just trying to help the n00bs out, because i ran a very large proboards once upon a time and it was all for nothing..... is that better for you?
POD
If you go into your control panel, under edit your details, you'll see an option for admin experience level, the choices are Beginner Intermediate Advanced Guru - The correct, or at least nicest term, would be beginner not n00b.
 
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