Facebook and Mailchimp sued over sex trafficking (FOSTA)

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"for Allegedly Facilitating"? That's some very low threshold for accusation. Anything could be spun to imply wrongoing or deliberate inaction.

IMO the real solution to these issues is to take matters into your own hands and stop relying on 3rd-party services with potentially looser ethics or life objectives than you as a community manager with your ear on the ground. Webmasters and scriptmakers should stop their addictions to making full experiences require 3rd-party services.
 
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"for Allegedly Facilitating"? That's some very low threshold for accusation. Anything could be spun to imply wrongoing or deliberate inaction.

IMO the real solution to these issues is to take matters into your own hands and stop relying on 3rd-party services with potentially looser ethics or life objectives than you as a community manager with your ear on the ground. Webmasters and scriptmakers should stop their addictions to making full experiences require 3rd-party services.
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Unfortunately, it can be very difficult to send an email without it landing in junk without utilising a third party service like Mailchimp. Likewise, someone could just not use Cloudflare, but it protects sites against DDoS attacks which would otherwise be impossible to mitigate.
 
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https://www.eff.org/press/releases/victory-lawsuit-challenging-fosta-reinstated-court
There is also a lawsuit alleging that SESTA / FOSTA is unconstitutional which got reinstated earlier this year.

If you read the opinion, and it is a long one, keep in mind that there are multiple judges adjudicating on the case with their own opinions on what the scope of the law is.

It may be going before the Supreme Court soon, now that the appeals court has approved it, although I don't know when.
 
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Facebook also allows religious bias and polarized left opinion to thrive as well. I am not surprised they do not mind sex trafficking pages and groups.
 
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I thought people suing companies was a US National Pastime.
 
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overcast said:
Facebook also allows religious bias and polarized left opinion to thrive as well. I am not surprised they do not mind sex trafficking pages and groups.
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Given their scale, it's going to be very difficult for them to moderate all of it. I don't think Zuckerberg wakes up in the morning and thinks, you know what, I'm going to work with sex traffickers :p
 
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I find it baffling that facebook groups host a lot of activity that I would only expect on the darknet. Apparently nothing illegal is a problem.
 
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If you've been following the British media, then I would personally be more concerned about Twitter than Facebook tbh. There are allegations they actually are turning a blind eye to things, the moderators supposedly systematically ignore problematic content / people.

It is a tabloid though and tabloids will rush anything through without checking the facts or sense to get quick clicks.
 
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That is true, but Im not following tabloids. Its my own observation.
 
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Alfa1 said:
I find it baffling that facebook groups host a lot of activity that I would only expect on the darknet. Apparently nothing illegal is a problem.
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That's one of the big benefits of such a large closed system. Huge amounts of hidden internal traffic, where advertisers are choosing to buy ads against the user, not the content.

As long as the group isn't reported by a member there can be huge amounts of traffic and ads generated for users generating and engaging with dubious content that never gets indexed or viewed by outsiders.
 
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As long as the group isn't reported by a member there can be huge amounts of traffic and ads generated for users generating and engaging with dubious content that never gets indexed or viewed by outsiders.
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I think it probably needs a lot of report before a group is closed. I doubt a groups is closed over just one report. Because all it takes is one disgruntled banned member to file a report. Probably they do not do anything unless dozens of reports come in.
 
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R0binHood said:
That's one of the big benefits of such a large closed system. Huge amounts of hidden internal traffic, where advertisers are choosing to buy ads against the user, not the content.

As long as the group isn't reported by a member there can be huge amounts of traffic and ads generated for users generating and engaging with dubious content that never gets indexed or viewed by outsiders.
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It is said British terrorists used to use Facebook Pages to organize. Scary!
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I think it probably needs a lot of report before a group is closed. I doubt a groups is closed over just one report. Because all it takes is one disgruntled banned member to file a report. Probably they do not do anything unless dozens of reports come in.
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It depends on the kind of report. If it's child pornography, it gets placed in a special queue.
 
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It feels like Matt Berry is suggesting we do all the things in that video, and have to say, I am tempted, primarily thanks to his incredible commanding voice.

However thanks to the availability of affordable accessible content available on all the platforms I desire, thereby solving the core issues, I no longer have a need or desire to still pirate music and video.

Sorry Matt, I won't be ****ting in any policemen's helmets. At least not today.
 
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