Anonymous Hosting Option

cornnfedd

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Just a background I have always had an interesting in Anonymous hosting, or being anonymous while using the internet - not because I am doing anything illegal but more to keep away from the big IT companies and the information they collect on you, anyway that point aside has anyone ever come across something like this:


I have used this company (shinjiru) a few times in the past and never had an issue, but this new primepay thing seems kinda interesting....

Just wondering what other peoples thoughts are, and if there are other hosting companies offering anything similar?
 

MagicalAzareal

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Bitcoin? No ZCash or Monero? lol

I am a little iffy on anonymous hosting and I'm not sure ICANN allows you to be anonymous as you have to provide them with your identity for your top-level domain, unless you're going for an onion site or something esoteric which have URLs that look as if someone threw up a bunch of random letters.

ICANN did have a bit of a row with the E.U. however as they wanted people's details to be public, but the E.U. with their General Data Protection Regulation wanted it to be private. It still isn't truly anonymous (unless you lie), so the registrar still knows who you are, but it does raise the bar a bit against any possible harassment. I don't know how that concluded.

The question as always is what is your threat model? And is the host likely to get mixed up in anything illegal? The last thing you need is the FBI to come in and take all the servers away or shut the entire thing down because they had something shady going on. I don't have the right experience to comment there, but it does make me nervous to say the least.
 

MagicalAzareal

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Something like that, domain issues aside, might be useful for something like political activism, controversial subjects (no illegal stuff), etc. as they seem to be in the business of telling people with spurious claims to go away, while others can be pressured, although it is hard to tell how far they would go in the era of cancel culture.
 

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I wonder some of these hosts are safe and not something like if raided by FBI, they can leak your info type.
 

cornnfedd

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Domains arent as big a issue, there are plenty of places that can give you "reasonable" protection when registering a domain name...e.g. njalla

Yeah Bitcoin... not the best crypto when it comes to being anonymous as all transactions are shown on the blockchain so you would think Monero would be the main one to use here.

Its an interesting concept though, I always wonder how piratebay has managed to stay going all these years, cloudflare protection and hidden servers...
 

cornnfedd

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I wonder some of these hosts are safe and not something like if raided by FBI, they can leak your info type.
As could a VPN I guess, but a lot day they purge registration or signup details once the process is complete... I best a heap dont though..
 

MagicalAzareal

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Domains arent as big a issue, there are plenty of places that can give you "reasonable" protection when registering a domain name...e.g. njalla

Yeah Bitcoin... not the best crypto when it comes to being anonymous as all transactions are shown on the blockchain so you would think Monero would be the main one to use here.

Its an interesting concept though, I always wonder how piratebay has managed to stay going all these years, cloudflare protection and hidden servers...
It may be a matter of jurisdiction.

There are some like .com which indirectly fall under U.S. jurisdiction as Verisign (the operator of .com) is a U.S. Company, while some TLDs may be more foreign like the national level ones. TPB doesn't host content directly either, it simply provides links to torrents, although some countries like U.K. do arrest people for this if hosted there.

It is somewhat easier to keep track of and block one TPB than it is to deal with a hundred (this is what happened when they shut it down the first few times) and people violating copyright, while some would argue is bad for rights holders, isn't going to lead to the end of the world. Over-eagerly clamping down on things may lead to the end of the free web, it is an arms race that ultimately leads to China.

Some TLD providers are also for lack of a better word. Dodgy.

They either lack effective moderation (this is most likely, it is infinitely more probable that someone is short staffed than outright malicious) or they just rest on their laurels as people use their TLDs for all sorts of things like dodgy pharmacies selling things like viagra, which they happen to like promoting the existence of via... spambots.

I'm fairly sure you can buy a .insertyourname here and start selling domains to people. It costs something on the order of $100k? and there is a renewal fee too.

Cloudflare is a very interesting one.

They have data-centers all over the world, so they have been playing the angle of "neutrality" and "free speech". They also have 10% of the web behind them, but the government never pesters them like they do other tech giants, so they might be in league with the three letter agencies, although you never know.

The U.S. Government might turn a blind eye to a mere TPB in order to grab bigger fish without spooking everyone. It is hard to say however without delving into the realm of speculation. The U.S. Government does seem less antsy about copyright than they were back in the day.
As could a VPN I guess, but a lot day they purge registration or signup details once the process is complete... I best a heap dont though..
It depends on the country and the company. There was an incident with a VPN provider once where they kept logs they claimed they didn't keep. It may have been hideyourass or something to that effect, although I can't remember the precise name, that is besides the point however.

The rationale they gave for turning over data was to help with a criminal investigation, but a lot of their customers did feel a little betrayed at how they were effectively lied to. I don't know of other cases where they might keep data out of their own will (other than perhaps incompentence), but you should also be sure they can legally delete the data.

I am not a lawyer, but a few countries like Australia mandate that providers keep two years worth of internet records. Switzerland is similar. Many countries do not have this policy and some ISPs even took it to, I believe, the European Court of Justice as it cost them dearly to retain that data.

Retaining the data may also conflict with the General Data Protection Regulation, although local law always trumps the laws of other territories. It does put companies in a very unenviable position however.
 

cornnfedd

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Great post very informative.

yes I live in Australia and our government actively collects out meta data, hence why I use a VPN most times. I dont have anything to hide, I just dont like the government snooping and having so much control in my personal business. On a side note, the Australia Government must be one of the worst when it comes to censorship and control of its citizens - they just passed a law making it against the law to transact with cash over $10,000. I believe the Australian Government is moving to ban cash transactions entirely in Australia so then they can trace and track all the money through banks. There was also talk of them banning Crypto completely about 2 years ago although this has gone quiet since.

The problem is people in Australia just dont care, life is good so why get upset about it. But slowly they Government is becoming Big Brother..

When you think about it, this sort of law is just crazy....

 

MagicalAzareal

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The problem is people in Australia just dont care, life is good so why get upset about it. But slowly they Government is becoming Big Brother..
The anti-encryption laws (anti-security laws as people like to call them) were fairly bad. People are scared of getting involved with Australian tech companies now as you never know if they've been compelled to sneak a security vulnerability in somewhere. Useless politicians.

It is fairly pointless and only serves to hamper local businesses as foreign ones can operate completely freely of it, as can users from there on those sites. Are they trying to strangle the local tech sector?

It is somehow worse than the U.K. where the government argued that mass surveillance collected data doesn't count as "collected" until an analyst takes a look at it.

Australia is one crazy place.
 
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cornnfedd

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wow I didnt even know about that, the media in Australia is so complicit - basically zero news on what our government is doing.

On our main news sites we actually get more news about Trump then our own Prime Minister... food for thought..
 

MagicalAzareal

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The U.S. tried anti-encryption laws during the 90s... And they didn't really work.

Every other country rolled encryption and it cost the U.S. Economy billions. They ended up having to roll them back, they even tried a compromise where they distributed keys for "lawful access", but researchers immediately found security vulnerability after security vulnerability which rendered the whole thing useless.

Needless to say, the U.S. mostly learned after that.

wow I didnt even know about that, the media in Australia is so complicit - basically zero news on what our government is doing.

On our main news sites we actually get more news about Trump then our own Prime Minister... food for thought..
They did provide a bit of news, but only at the moment the government forced the law through, and then, they never mentioned it again. Tech media has been going on about it for quite a while. If you find that people genuinely don't know about these laws, then you might want to spread the word about them and why they're problematic.

Governments would like to make you think that they can do whatever they want and people won't care, but they very much do care when a vocal opposition becomes powerful enough.

I really don't know why they insist on crippling themselves so much. I would chalk it up to pure incompetence and the lack of a powerful enough political opposition. They tried to push a few terrible laws in Canada before under the usual excuses like "copyright" and "the children", but activists managed to get them to back down.
 

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As could a VPN I guess, but a lot day they purge registration or signup details once the process is complete... I best a heap dont though..
I think due to new rules where these sites make use of the US based payment gateways I am guessing they retain the data in some form.
 

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Just a background I have always had an interesting in Anonymous hosting, or being anonymous while using the internet - not because I am doing anything illegal but more to keep away from the big IT companies and the information they collect on you, anyway that point aside has anyone ever come across something like this:


I have used this company (shinjiru) a few times in the past and never had an issue, but this new primepay thing seems kinda interesting....

Just wondering what other peoples thoughts are, and if there are other hosting companies offering anything similar?

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