Global warming ‘isn’t the great threat we were told’

[Oldsmoboi]

I don't think reverting temperatures to pre-industrial levels is attainable. However, If we can find ways to stop increasing CO2 levels from significantly increasing, we can keep the temperature down to below 2 degrees C. At least that's what many of the models predict. At those levels, and given sufficient time, the oceans and rain forests may be able to begin reducing CO2 again.

Exactly... it is such a stretch just to get to carbon neutral at this point, getting to carbon negative is not really attainable.

 

[Bionic Rooster]

Yet again, you fail to read the effing article! You've gotta start reading past the headline!

Once again you assume you know what I've read of the articles I link to. That's probably why you get so much of it wrong. It would be more informational if you didn't suppose or assume people didn't research their information. I don't know you either but I don't tell you you are stupid because of your have a different point of view. Unlike you I do not focus just on the title.

 

[Pete]

Then maybe don’t post articles whose headlines might seem to agree with your point of view but whose content doesn’t. You keep doing it, it’s not a good look.

 

[Bionic Rooster]

Then maybe don’t post articles whose headlines might seem to agree with your point of view but whose content doesn’t. You keep doing it, it’s not a good look.

That's a poor rule of thumb to justify what is or isn't MY point of view. Like the articles others have linked to, I do so because they are informative. If you or others think they are wrong, then write the author and tell them.

 

[zappaDPJ]

I don't think reverting temperatures to pre-industrial levels is attainable. However, If we can find ways to stop increasing CO2 levels from significantly increasing, we can keep the temperature down to below 2 degrees C. At least that's what many of the models predict. At those levels, and given sufficient time, the oceans and rain forests may be able to begin reducing CO2 again.

I agree, I'm pretty sure no one alive today will live long enough to see that.

When you consider the UK produces around 1% of global emissions at home, 2% if you count the emissions we generate elsewhere in the world, even if we revert back to the horse and cart it's not going to make any significant difference.

As I said earlier, I'm by no means a climate change denier, but I've yet to be fully convinced of the reasons behind it and I'm pretty sure there's nothing much we can do about it anyway until we develop technology powerful enough to suck CO2 out of the atmosphere.

Right now I think we would do better by the earth to ban plastic and learn to recycle properly.

 

[Pete]

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[zappaDPJ]

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Which kind of sums up where were are at when it comes to saving the planet.

I wonder how much of a dent the smart meter rollout has made to the UK's 1%!

 

[Oldsmoboi]

Once again you assume you know what I've read of the articles I link to. That's probably why you get so much of it wrong. It would be more informational if you didn't suppose or assume people didn't research their information. I don't know you either but I don't tell you you are stupid because of your have a different point of view. Unlike you I do not focus just on the title.

You certainly seem to post like you haven’t read the article. What is the point of posting about a mostly harmless sunspot as a retort to my talking about future climate change civil unrest? It’s the click bait headline that gets you but then you have to click “Read More”. You’ve done that multiple times in this thread and even if you aren’t dumb it makes you look dumb.

 

[Bionic Rooster]

until we develop technology powerful enough to suck CO2 out of the atmosphere.

It's in the works, but they say it will require hundreds of such machines to make a significant reduction.

In Switzerland, a giant new machine is sucking carbon directly from the air

Experts debate whether technology is useful for curbing climate change

www.science.org

 

[Bionic Rooster]

You’ve done that multiple times in this thread and even if you aren’t dumb it makes you look dumb.

Right, anyone who doesn't agree with your 'dooms days' believes is dumb. Right, well we know what you're on about

 

[Bionic Rooster]

Your reactions are so funny, you're gullible and easy to provoke.

 

[Oldsmoboi]

Right, anyone who doesn't agree with your 'dooms days' believes is dumb. Right, well we know what you're on about

Those who are lacking reading comprehension are dumb.

But you’re just trolling now as evidenced by your subsequent post.

 

[Bionic Rooster]

Those who are lacking reading comprehension are dumb.

But you’re just trolling now as evidenced by your subsequent post.

Projection is another favorite tool of those who have no clue.
Me trolling? You were the one who admitted to trolling this thread.

 

[zappaDPJ]

It's in the works, but they say it will require hundreds of such machines to make a significant reduction.

In Switzerland, a giant new machine is sucking carbon directly from the air

Experts debate whether technology is useful for curbing climate change

www.science.org

I'm reasonably confident that's got to be the only real way forward but I somehow doubt it'll happen in my life time.

 

[zappaDPJ]

Changing hats, there have been a few reported posts in this thread which is understandable, it's a very emotive subject.

It's also inevitable there will be vastly differing points of view but can we please not make it personal. There's really no definitive right or wrong here, just opinion. It's an interesting thread and I really wouldn't want to see it closed.

 

[Bionic Rooster]

Changing hats, there have been a few reported posts in this thread which is understandable, it's a very emotive subject.

It's also inevitable there will be vastly differing points of view but can we please not make it personal. There's really no definitive right or wrong here, just opinion. It's an interesting thread and I really wouldn't want to see it closed.

Thanks, that was the whole purpose I created this thread. To get others views/opinions with differing reports.

 

[Nev_Dull]

Which kind of sums up where were are at when it comes to saving the planet.

I wonder how much of a dent the smart meter rollout has made to the UK's 1%!

I hope you're using better smart meters than we did. The first batch they tried a few years ago in my city had an unfortunate tendency to burst into flames. That's not great for the environment.

 

[Oldsmoboi]

I hope you're using better smart meters than we did. The first batch they tried a few years ago in my city had an unfortunate tendency to burst into flames. That's not great for the environment.

We've been on a smart meter since about 2016, but they only recently started offering variable rate pricing. My house isn't quite set up for variable pricing yet, but it should be soon. I have a couple of very old appliances that are due to be replaced and I'm going to make sure they have timers to start overnight.

 

[zappaDPJ]

I hope you're using better smart meters than we did. The first batch they tried a few years ago in my city had an unfortunate tendency to burst into flames. That's not great for the environment.

Nothing so dramatic, our first batch just stopped working if you switched provider

 

[Nev_Dull]

As I said earlier, I'm by no means a climate change denier, but I've yet to be fully convinced of the reasons behind it and I'm pretty sure there's nothing much we can do about it anyway until we develop technology powerful enough to suck CO2 out of the atmosphere.

Pretty much all the science agrees CO2 is behind it all. I think much of the confusion comes from how interwoven that CO2 is throughout the entire ecosystem. It doesn't just go into the air and cause more heat to stay trapped in the atmosphere.

Heat from excess CO2 causes more water vapour in the air, which increases temperatures.
The extra CO2 from human activity has overloaded the balance of the natural systems of the earth, ocean, and plants, so they can no longer process it all. Additionally, as the temperature increases and more rain forest is cut down, there is less rainfall, so the rain forest processes less CO2 for photosynthesis.

Increased heating from CO2 melts sea ice and polar ice, reducing the earth's reflectivity increased the temperature even more. Likewise, overall rising temperatures mean less snow cover in winter for northern areas, again leading to more heating.

Even all the natural heating/cooling cycles that climate change deniers like to point at are exacerbated by the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere. Heating cycles are longer and stronger, and cooling cycles are shorter and weaker.

Anyone can point to individual climate predictions and say "See, that wasn't as big a deal as they said". That's because all of those predictions are subject to so many variables. But looking at the bigger picture, the trend is clear. This is probably best seen in the now famous (or infamous, to some) hockey stick graph.

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