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Default How did they get it (vb5) so wrong?
I think a lot of people felt IB taking over Jelsoft/VB, was going to be bad news, with the premature launch of VB4, which took almost 2 years to get to a stable/gold standard.

But now we have VB5, which by all accounts, is even worse than VB4

I wouldn't be at all surprised if it took a lot longer than 2 years to get it to a stable/gold standard and I wonder, will the VB brand survive after this "epic fail"?

But the question I have is, how on earth did they get it so wrong? How after 2+ years in development, weren't they able to bring out a decent, VB2/3 quality of product? Or hell, even a 4.2 quality

It seems they've tried to take two steps forward, but have actually taken twenty back in the process.

There's been comments from several professional coders that the code is bloody awful, which I could understand if they'd shipped dev work off to some remote part of the world, but that apparently wasn't the case

I also have to wonder how their Q&A team miss so many major/serious bugs? Right now there's:

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Laziness and a lack of funding (motivating them to launch a quick cash-grab).
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My only half-baked theory is that some sort of circumstance exists that we don't know or realize.
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Laziness and a lack of funding (motivating them to launch a quick cash-grab).
Id be interested to know why IB was lacking funds when they had this much to spend on the lawsuit.
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Id be interested to know why IB was lacking funds when they had this much to spend on the lawsuit.
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The lawsuit is precisely why they lacked proper funding.
I thought IB had more than enough money to fund both of VB's development and the lawsuit? If what you were saying was right, then OMG IB is more pathetic than I thought. Without the lawsuit, both VB and Xenforo could've been way better. Unfortunately for IB, the one and only way to compete in the market is to fight against competitors on the court. At the end of the day the quality of forumware overall gets worse because of this nonsense.
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how on earth did they get it so wrong?
Not engaging with the community for acquiring feedback about changes, for one. A culture of secrecy serves noone's interest.

Blogging about problems and their way to resolve them is not supposed to really influence the direction, but when proper, maximize acceptance of changes early on.
Quite a handful of users are advanced enough for their own recommendations to be worth following.

In anyway, personally I think the first biggest mistake was to not use a solid framework to avoid a a scenario where recreating the wheel takes forever (Zend, Yii wouldve been great).
Secondly, taking away ressources and manpower from the main vb projects. Using frameworks, IB couldve separately funded a small team of Zend specialists and a designer not affiliated with vb. Shouldve been less costly to manage too. This is still an approach it could adopt, but perhaps not for the v5 cycle.
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"How did they get it wrong?"

They lost their lead developers, and let bullheaded management decide coding issues. And piss poor customer service.

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It is indeed a mystery how vb5 could end up like this. I will not waste my time visiting www.vbulletin.com anymore.
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if it took a lot longer than 2 years to get it to a stable/gold standard and I wonder, will the VB brand survive after this "epic fail"?
Dude, vB4 was epic fail (to be fair, based on what vB owners have said, the initial vB4 release was epic fail). What vB5 does is make 'epic fail' look like a good thing by comparison. Of course, I dislike vB anyways, so I'm rather amused by all this.


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The lawsuit is precisely why they lacked proper funding.
I swear when I saw HoF's post, I was thinking precisely what you said. Too perfect.

I'm just waiting for IB to piss off the right people who will then sue them for something. From what's been said, I'm sure someone could make a good case for false advertising. Make sure there are reliable sources with a copy of the false statements made and then if that material happens to 'disappear' once the suit is filed, tip off the judge that IB is trying to hide evidence from the court. I'm sure a judge would just love IB to pieces for it.

Then once IB sees what it's like to get sued, except for legit reasons, they'll likely think twice before being stupid. Until the next time they act stupid that is.
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Well IB has made many stupid mistakes in the past, and guess what, they did not learn from these mistakes. Even now they are still repeating the same crap like yesterday. So is it safe to assume that they will never learn if they havent done so already? We will see,but you've gotta be extraordinarily patient if you expect anything good from IB lol.
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I think your best hope is a class action:

1) False advertising?
2)Failure to deliver goods
3) Breach of contract

Could base all this on features that were promised and then dropped (bait and switch tactics)

IB had far less of a case with xenForo
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vbulletin 4 still has 850 bugs, and you could say it has never surpassed Beta status.
There is no reason to expect that vb5 will ever surpass beta status.

Their $199 a year support product can probably be given Gold status.

And there you probably have your answer as to why they have got vb5 so wrong. I think the support product will sell like hot cakes.

I will take that back once Internet Brands moves its websites to vb5.
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I will take that back once Internet Brands moves its websites to vb5.


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Apparently senior vB management will be answering members questions in this thread http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forum...anagement-here

Let us see what they saw about the current state and future plans.
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I'd rather look forward to positive changes, not empty talk as if only sensitive egos kept getting hurt, not wallets and vBS' relevance in a fairly healthy forumware scene.
There's bound to be a lot of noise, if exchange is not limited to select users representing the concerns and interests of most users.
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Yes it would have been nice if they listened to everyone, but in the present scenario it will progress if they listen to anyone. According to Wayne Luke the management is reluctant to engage customers because of uncomplimentary comments from some customers.

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