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Old 03-13-2006, 04:26 PM
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All in the title really. I am sure someone told me you can do it as admin/mod.
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Old 03-13-2006, 04:29 PM
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Open up phpmyadmin and look through the pm/pmtext tables
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Old 03-13-2006, 04:30 PM
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Sorry I do not know what you mean.
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Old 03-13-2006, 04:35 PM
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Hmmmm....

Not a good practice. PM, by virtue of it's definition, means "Private".

Even though it's your forum, it's still poor ethics IMO to do so.

One of my former Admins (who left to try to resurrect a dying competitor site) was caught reading a member's PM's. That member was NOT pleased.
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Are you the owner of the site? Do you pay a host to serve the webpage?

If you have FTP access, upload pm.php (3.5.x) to your admincp

The above hack is for investigating spam and other lesser practices. It won't lead you to those that have private messages. You have to plugin the userid; its purpose is not intrusion.
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Old 03-13-2006, 04:36 PM
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Ok, I am admin yes and I run the site. I was just curious to how it could be done.
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Old 03-13-2006, 06:09 PM
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Not a good practice. PM, by virtue of it's definition, means "Private".

Even though it's your forum, it's still poor ethics IMO to do so.
Extremely poor. And, if lacking ethics, it's also pretty lame. Even in the worst of circumstances, there should be no reason for you to be scanning your members communications with each other. If there's a problem, So-and-So will usually save and forward something to you. If you're making a general habit of nosing into other people's conversations, then you should reconsider running a public community. Though many may know that "Private Messages" (and especially board-generated emails) aren't really "private," some don't, and there is a level of mutual trust that you must maintain in order to deserve the company you keep.
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Old 03-13-2006, 06:34 PM
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And, if lacking ethics, it's also pretty lame. Even in the worst of circumstances, there should be no reason for you to be scanning your members communications with each other. If there's a problem, So-and-So will usually save and forward something to you. If you're making a general habit of nosing into other people's conversations, then you should reconsider running a public community. Though many may know that "Private Messages" (and especially board-generated emails) aren't really "private," some don't, and there is a level of mutual trust that you must maintain in order to deserve the company you keep.
I couldn't agree more with this.

You can read them via your phpMyAdmin but I've only done so once, to see how it's done, and have never gone back in there. I just couldn't bring myself to go reading my member's PM's.
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Old 03-13-2006, 11:13 PM
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An administrator could read member's PM if he wants to do so

phpMyAdmin is not convenient to spy your members, you need to write a tiny php script, that's all.
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I would not do it, period. I have asked members to send me screenshots of problem PM's (spam, etc.) but I feel it would be a breach of trust between me and my members if I were digging through their private communications.
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I would not do it, period. I have asked members to send me screenshots of problem PM's (spam, etc.) but I feel it would be a breach of trust between me and my members if I were digging through their private communications.
Completely agreed.

I just don't see any point whatsoever in snooping through private messages. It's unethical and immoral. At my owner's website (I'm an admin, but I don't own it), we promise our members an honourable privacy policy, which includes private messages = private, and we uphold that.

If someone has spammed or is abusing other members via PM, like the above poster says, they will send us a PM/screenshot and it'll be dealt with that way.
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Old 03-14-2006, 09:05 AM
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I would only do it if someone was reported for spamming or something to that effect just for damage control and evidence
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If you are using vbulletin or phpbb (I'm not sure if it's available for IPB) then there are hacks around that will allow you read member pm's from the admincp. But morally, I don't think it's a good thing to do. phpmyadmin access to pm's is generally adequate enough should there be a situation where reading a member's pm is required, other than that the reason they're called private messages is because they're just that - private.
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Old 03-14-2006, 10:22 AM
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as i remember there is a pm table for the body of the message and a different for the sendto details...i think so unless it states who sent it in the message you cant really know who sent it. i read members pm once to confirm my GF was flirting, that was a few years ago now, not done it for since, oh aye, and that lead to me and her parting ways, in quite a messy way
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Old 03-14-2006, 10:42 AM
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if you are using vB, there are a few hacks available...

If you're going to be reading PM's I'd recommend putting something in your TOS covering that fact.

Morals aside, I think there are certain times when it can be helpful; but not for random reading of messages. I've only ever used it when someone was reported for link spamming via the PM system.
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Old 03-14-2006, 11:06 AM
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Hi,

Looking at member’s PM without informing them is not what I call a good administrator.
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Old 03-14-2006, 11:40 AM
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I never said I wasn't going to it. If I was going to it, the idea will be to simply stamp out spam, abuse, etc. Please be aware I have never done this.
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Old 03-14-2006, 12:30 PM
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While, I always put in my terms and conditios that "Personal Messages" can be viewed by the administrator, I have never had any reason to do so on any board that I have been an administrator on. I have had members forward messages to me with complaints about the content and I have acted on those complaints but never had to look in the database directly and read messages.

I don't call them Private Messages because they aren't really. Anything stored in plain text should never be considered private.
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I don't call them Private Messages because they aren't really. Anything stored in plain text should never be considered private.
I have to disagree. Just because there is the possibility that someone is reading them doesn't mean that the user shouldn't have a reasonable expectation that it will never happen. Of course the guys at the hosting company can read it, I as admin can read it, that doesn't mean it's not private. Take a diary, it's written in plain text, for the most part, yet I would hope most people can agree that a diary is as private as it gets.

As admin I consider PMs private in a sense that users have my word that I will not mention things that were send to me as PM anywhere else on the board, and that I will not read their PMs.

My board has been up since April 2004 and I haven't had a case of PM spam yet. If PM spam would occur, then I am sure that multiple users would mention it on the board itself, and just based on that I would take action, that'd be all the proof that I would need to take action against the offending user.

Short of a court order I can't really imagine a circumstance in which I would read/disclose a PM for which I wasn't the recipient or that hasn't been forwarded to me.
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No a diary is not as private as it can get. Your mind is.

As for reading PMs, I only had to do it once (to send proof to an ISP about a spammer). XMB has a built in thing for admins to read PMs (without trail), but I really see no use in it. I have interesting things going on in my life without seeing what others do. Plus my FAQ has the disclaimer that anyone can read.

I believe some people from XMB want it gone in the next edition and I'm all for that. Except for some really serious situations, it should never be done.
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